Type: Sport, 410 ft, 4 pitches
FA: John Bissel, Matt Esson, Steve LaPorta, 1993
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Too! is a very strange route, and quite out of place at Clear Creek. It contains 3 good pitches (out of 4) and some impressive exposure, but the everpresent lichen and loose rock subtract from this otherwise excellent climb.

P1. A multitude of first pitches are possible, but the best (and most in keeping with the difficulty of the rest of the climb) is the farthest right bolted pitch on the base of the formation. A few difficult slab moves at mid height provide the crux here, and a comfortable belay is reached after ~120 feet. 5.10d, 6 bolts.

P2. The second pitch is basically slabby grunge - 5.4X. Carefully work your way up to the obvious headwall, where you'll find a 2 bolt anchor after about 130 feet. 5.4, 1 bolt.

P3. The third pitch tackles this headwall and is arguably the best on the route, though only about 80 feet long. 5.11c, 10 bolts.

P4. The final pitch begins with a hairy traverse on fragile rock past a pin to a line of bolts heading up and right out a steep block. The first 50 feet are 5.10, and the final moves of 5.12 (which are very out of place for the route) can be easily aided. 5.12a, 10 bolts.

Descend by making 3 double-rope rappels, but exercise EXTREME CAUTION when pulling ropes, as there is loose rock in spades. Helmets highly recommended.


15 quickdraws and 2 ropes are recommended, though creative rappelling might allow for a single rope descent. Fully bolted.


The first pitch (10c ish, #3 in the picture) is a blast. There are some holds here that makes it seem like a gym climb--huge flakes, horns, really incut pockets, etc. A pretty juggy and easy haul through the roof IMO. May 24, 2001
Leo Paik
Westminster, Colorado
Leo Paik   Westminster, Colorado  
Great route! 3rd pitch is well worth the 2nd. Great rock, good moves. It is probably easier than the 1st (my error on the 1st). The 1st seemed tricky for 10c unless you are a slab master (my error on the 1st). 11a? 10c for the 3rd. Mar 5, 2002
J. Thompson
denver, co
J. Thompson   denver, co
This is an excellent route too rope solo. I soloed it recently and thought it a great excercise in mixed free/aid while soloing. I took some hooks and small gear, but ended up free climbing between all of the bolts- which was a little scary on a clove! Anyway it made for good practice mixing things up. One thing- you have to climb up and tie off the first couple of bolts for your anchor. Jun 12, 2002
Darren Mabe
Flagstaff, AZ
Darren Mabe   Flagstaff, AZ
Leo- I think the first pitch that you did is Natural Selection (farthest right route), which I think has a .11 crux. 'Too' proper starts as one of those juggy 5.10s to the left of NS and keeps going for several more clips to the ledge.

Between the last 2 bolts on the crux pitch can be climbed directly through the bolt line, instead of going left 5 feet, up 2 feet and back right 5 feet, though a little harder. I do some kind of hand foot match to very small crimp way up and right. The nuts on the cold shuts tend to loosen for some reason, which is a little spooky when you go to clip a bolt with the nut hanging on by a few threads. May 29, 2003
The third pitch is definitely the best in my opinion, Rolofsons's guide gives it 11c, which seems appropriate considering the other climbs at the crag. The second pitch has a bolt at the 5.5 "crux", wouldn't quite give it an "x" rating. For the last pitch, there is a bolt between the belay anchors and the line of bolts up the face. No need to clip the pin, just stay on the narrow ledge below where you would be to clip the pin, traverse to the bolt and pull a fun mantle move to the ledge above. Also, the 12a rating may be a bit of a sandbag, at least it seemed harder than that to me.

Overall, this is a really fun route, cool exposure, and there isn't as much loose rock as I had expected. Just use good judgement and you'll have no problem. Jun 23, 2003
The 5.10d first pitch is a good warm up for what is "too!" come. The 5.4 second pitch is self explanatory. I agree the third pitch is the best. A lot of crimpy finger holds up the steep 5.11c slab. However there is a lot of lichen on this pitch, which is not very fen to climb with. There is one good ledge to rest on about halfway. The final pitch has a few sketchy moves including a 5.11d move just before the 5.12a crux. Once at the top a great view and a good feeling of satisfaction of climbing the tallest multi-pitch climb in Clear Creek Canyon! Jul 22, 2003
micah stocker
micah stocker  
[Sick route. The third pitch is kick ass. It reminds me a lot of the Yellow Spur. The 4th pitch is strange. Big moves to not so good holds. Either the 11d is easier than 11d, or the 12a is sandbagged. I'll let you be the judge. It just felt stiff for 12a. Also, if more people climbed this route, there wouldn't be as much traffic in the canyon. Major loose rock on the last pitch. However, the rest are pretty clean. Give this thing a try. Major air. If this route were in Eldo, it would be a world class route. Too cool.] Jun 3, 2004
Jay Hippel
Denver, CO
Jay Hippel   Denver, CO
If "nice 5.11 crimps on slab" doesn't sound like a bowlful o' fun, the first 50ft pitch is sweet and juggy. At a nice 10c or d, it's just as good as P1 of Norwand. BUT I'm sure the rest is cool too. Jun 24, 2004
12a my arse. Did a hold break? Compared to other CCC 12a's this thing is a tad stiff, eh? Pretty cool f-ing route, fun to start with Natural Selection, then 2 more good ones to the top. Was gripped throughout that we'd send down a monster chunk of choss and 1. sink a kayak in the creek. 2. chop off someone's head as they top out on one of the many fun 1-pitch routes below. 3. cause a 10 car pileup/ massive ugly lawsuit. Dohh. Pretty clean, turns out. SO friggin many of those bolts are nasty dangling spinners, however. Caution. Enjoy.

Chris Jun 1, 2005
sean connors  
I climbed all of [Too!] and it was f...ing awesome. Although when I was following the third pitch (.11c slab) I pulled off a huge flake. I bashed it with my palm and it seemed bomber. Guess not. Also on the last pitch, the guide said that there is a horn that you can sling. Well, when I girth hitched it, I went to wedge the sling in the crack and gave it a tug. Goodbye horn! Sorry! So, if you fall, have fun on the [pendulum] swing. The horn is still up [there], so that way you could spite the asshole who broke it when you climb it. Great route with cool exposure. Jul 27, 2005
Kevin Neilson
Kevin Neilson   Boulder
The first pitch of this (10c) is probably the most fun at Little Eiger. There is a nice pinch hold, a finger-crack sidepull, and before the anchors, a dyno (or long reach) from a big jug and exposed position to a mantel. Sep 11, 2005
Jon Zucco
Denver, CO
Jon Zucco   Denver, CO
Agreed, first pitch of "too" is one of the best on the wall. The crux for me was the exposed pinch on the face (felt balancy but fun). The moves at the top feel D-ish because of the pump, but with the right sequence, any one can pull it. Aug 15, 2008
This route is a classic. A couple thoughts:

It can be rapped with one 60 rope.

P1 - Can climb Nordwand or Too, both are great, both around 35m.

P2 - If comfortable soloing solid 5.4, it might be safer to unrope for this pitch, and climb with the rope coiled up. Several ledges with loose gravel and blocks exist. Watch your rope from knocking this off. There is a single bolt low on this pitch, then a 2-bolt anchor at the base of the steep wall, or a second 2-bolt anchor slightly higher. It works best to belay as high as possible.

P3 - Amazing pitch, sustained, technical, quality. Mid 5.11

P4 - Long runner on bolt #1. The first ~7 bolts go through steep and juggy sustained climbing (.11d) to a no-hands rest ledge, 30' from the top. The last bolt on this sustained section is clipped from a down-pointing flake, which flexes and is going to break off soon. The fall is clean if/when it rips and other holds exist. As others have said, the "12a" crux move left is very stout for the grade, especially without long arms. Jun 7, 2009
Wherever we park!
AOSR   Wherever we park!
The third pitch is stellar like everyone has said. It felt 11b or c. not too much lichen and loose stuff, the entire route seems pretty clean. The fourth pitch is also stellar with overhanging 11+ up to the ledge. I have a pretty good reach, and the move left is still way way out there. Probably 12b. With a bit of traversing, we made it down with one 70m rope in 4 raps. Killer after-work, shady, multi-pitch 12 action! Jul 16, 2009
Despite what appears to be not too much loose rock on Too!, climbing this route when there are dozens of people below on what has become one of the most popular areas in CCC is probably not a good idea. As noted by other climbers, things continue to break and would likely hit someone below. The rock in CCC just isn't all that solid. Perhaps a weekday morning would be the best time to do this one. Personally, if I was at the Little Eiger and I saw someone go up Too! I would leave. Jul 16, 2009
As predicted, people climbing this route when there were a whole bunch of climbers below proved hazardous. Yesterday, when two rocket scientists decided to climb up, then rappel back thru 5 pitches of choss right above a whole crowd of people they pulled down an entire tree and associated rocks from two pitches up, narrowly missing everyone below. It was a miracle that no one was killed. Perhaps this route should be renamed "Don't" or even better yet "Chopped". Sep 3, 2009
Drew Allan
Drew Allan   Denver/Aspen
I was there too! Todd is absolutely right. It is a highly dangerous situation at the base of LE if a party is on this route. It was so loud I thought a person had decked. If the guy who was below the route a few minutes beforehand was still there, he probably would have been killed. Beyond scary. Sep 3, 2009
Noah McKelvin
Colorado Springs
Noah McKelvin   Colorado Springs
Awesome route!

On P1 I actually took the 11b variation accidently. It proved to be awesome with an interesting move. The second pitch is nothing special. The mental crux for the route. I missed the bolt.

P3 was the best. Sustained 5.11 moves with the 11c or so mantle crux.

P4 was way harder than "5.12a". The approach to the crux was 11d and was sweet. Fun climbing. Some hold must of broke off, because the crux is killer. Jul 30, 2010
Ben Cassedy
Denver, CO
Ben Cassedy   Denver, CO
So, I'm not even sure where to enter this comment, but I highly recommend the first pitch of this route for a good 10d. Personally, I thought it was more like 11a on the overhang. But it is well worth it for a short, juggy, gym-like pitch. Apr 29, 2011
Keith H. North
Englewood, CO
Keith H. North   Englewood, CO
Got on the route today, Started on the route just to the right of Too!, for the first pitch because Too! was busy. Fun moves challenging, 2nd pitch, mentally challenging but really a terd. Third pitch was really dirty but was AMAZING!!! I loved the sustained technical climbing, SO MUCH FUN! Only one or two holds that were larger than half a pad. Bailed before the last pitch, one of us was falling asleep, I was gassed from the third, have to come back and do it again to the top some day. Jun 1, 2011
gordwah   colorado
First pitch is the best 5.10 I've ever done! Jougie! Jul 29, 2011
Geoff U
Centennial, CO
Geoff U   Centennial, CO
P3 is really fun - a fair amount of decent holds (bigger than half pad - through crux section, maybe not). Lichens didn't reduce friction though. P4 was good fun - most moves 5.10 except for the 3 or 4 move crux sequence that is solid 12b. Surprisingly minimal loose rock - didn't break off anything Oct 4, 2012
gregsmiller   Louisville
Fun route! If you are knocking rocks off, you're doing something wrong. Seemed pretty clean and well-protected. The 5.11 slab is very fun and will leave you feeling for holds, but they are all there. The last pitch is thoughtful and exposed, but I felt that the climbing after the hand traverse to the ledge right below the crux, wasn't any harder than hard 5.10... the crux itself is long reaches with good holds, then thin and pumpy. Apr 7, 2013
Kevin Detlor
Kevin Detlor   BOZEMAN
This route is best climbed by starting on Nordwand (5.11) as the first pitch, definitely agree that the 3rd pitch was the best! Aug 26, 2013
20 kN

20 kN    
Beta for the multipitch version:

The 3rd pitch, called 5.5 X in the guidebook, is probably more like R-rated. It's about 80% fourth class and then some easy 5th at the top. There is one bolt on this pitch, but it's inconveniently located about 20' below the actual crux. The "crux" section of the 5.5 is very easy obviously, but it was completely, utterly covered in lichen when I tried it.

Anyway, pretty much everything above P1 is mostly unclimbed. It's glaringly obvious almost no one climbs the entire thing, they just stop at P1, thus pitches 2 and higher are a fair bit more chossy and dirty. It's fun, but wear helmets, and don't climb this thing if there are people at the base as rockfall is a legitimate risk. Oct 10, 2015
Philip DeFraties
Golden, CO
Philip DeFraties   Golden, CO
My buddy and I were just up there a little over a week ago and came across a few freely spinning hangers on the second to last pitch (11 - something?) and even more on the final pitch. We forgot our tool or would have tightened them ourselves, be careful! Jul 2, 2017
Denver, CO
Seb303   Denver, CO
Does anyone know if there are places to get some pro in on the 5.5X pitch? Jul 19, 2017
Boulder, CO
Renaud   Boulder, CO
Current state of the route as of 05/16/2018:
- pitch 1: we did Nordwand which seems to be more consistent with the rest of the climbing in terms of difficulty. Really fun, steep juggy climbing.
- pitch 2: obviously very runout but more of a scramble. There's a lot of loose rock, moss and lichen, so take your time there. I ended up going right from the intermediate anchor into a loose ramp and then traversing back left to the anchors (kinda hard to see from a distance), skipping the lone bolt which I couldn't find. We saw the bolt on the way down, and it was located on the slabs just above the intermediate anchor, up and left of it IIRC. I feel like it is probably safer to stay in the ramp to the right rather then chasing the bolt on the lichen covered slabs.
- pitch 3: great movement, but this pitch was covered in lichen when we climbed it, which made it not as enjoyable as I expected. It doesn't seem like the route got much traffic recently, so I imagine it cleans up later in the season and regains its classic status. 11c seemed right to me, it might feel easier with cleaner rock and chalk marks.
- pitch 4: clean rock after the traverse right. No lichen there. Sweet 5.11 climbing to the crux. The sequence after that felt like 12b to me: long reach going left and then committing moves going back right. Definitely clip the last bolt before going out left, otherwise you'll end up way up and left of your last bolt in the middle of the crux sequence with a solid chance of hitting the ledge below if you blow it. May 17, 2018