Type: Sport
FA: Guy Lords and Ken Trout, 1990
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Shared By: Richard M. Wright on Sep 13, 2001
Admins: Leo Paik, John McNamee, Frances Fierst, Monty, Monomaniac

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Access Issue: Rim Rock Trail Closure Details


Rolofson limits the Overhang area on its West (left) side with The Ground Doesn't Lie. Since there is a good break between The Ground and The Pigeon Pile Pinnacle in the Table Top area, I have followed suit here - for the time being. The Ground... is a small, three bolt, boulder problem (now extended and retrobolted to 7 bolts) that sits 50 feet left of the very popular 5.9 called In Between the Lines. Its most obvious feature is just being small (now less so). Surmount several tricky finger locks passing two clips and solve the crux at the third bolt. Hint: look around. This rounded buttress is something of an arete and has good holds on both sides. I thought that there was an additional sequence to be solved just getting to the anchor after the last bolt. This is a nice problem and is worth figuring out. It feels a little insecure.


Three draws and a rope. Now, this has 7 bolts.


This route is some of the pumpiest (is that a word?) 20ft of climbing at Table. I always come away feeling like I climbed farther than the 3 clips up there. Aug 8, 2002
Ken Trout
Golden, CO
Ken Trout   Golden, CO
We named it after a saying of John Sherman's. He had written how all sport-climbers lied about doing hard climbs and anyone who used a rope was a tension-taking liar. Sherman's idea was that only boulderers really did hard climbs because when boulderers fall they hit the ground and can't lie about failing. Hence his saying, "The ground doesn't lie."

I certainly wouldn't choose to lie about FA stuff, but I know why some folks might. More than once I've had folks "snake" lines that took days to clean and bolt. That's okay if it's not The World's Hardest Route. What's important is how many people are doing the route.

Traffic has really picked up on The Ground Doesn't Lie. What's different? Seven bolts, instead of three. Mar 12, 2004
Dave Clark 5.10
Golden, CO
Dave Clark 5.10   Golden, CO
Seems an update might help, as this route has evolved from the original 3-bolt line to a longer 7-bolt line. Double top anchors are now about 15 ft higher than shown in Haas/Schneider book, and 7 bolts offer good protection for what is still a pumpy workout. Variation a few feet to the right is called "Top Rope Face", going to same top anchors.
Jan 10, 2010
Leo Paik
Westminster, Colorado
Leo Paik   Westminster, Colorado  
There is a TR variation that takes on the short dihedral to the left of the 2nd through 4th bolts. It is kind of fun. It's probably best not to forget to search to the left if you do this variation.

Oct 26, 2011
FYI, the third bolt is loose (not just a spinning hanger, the bolt itself is loose in the hole). Dec 21, 2015