Type: Sport, 65 ft
FA: Ken Kisiel, Scott Beguin, and Denny Newell
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Shared By: Monomaniac on Apr 6, 2007
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This fine route is the fourth bolted route (on the E wall) approached in the Lower Grotto. The route follows a rounded arete, occasionally veering onto the face to the right.

Begin right on the arete, where a few tricky moves get you over the intimidating roof, to a no-hands stance and the 3rd bolt. From here, it seems most folks veer right onto the face, with small rounded crimps on light-gray stone. However, its also possible, and perhaps a bit easier, to stay on the arete, using larger, textured sidepulls and edges. After the 5th bolt you used to head right to the last bolt of Good and a shared anchor, but an independent direct finish was added in summer '07.


Route #3 in the overview photo.


6 bolts. 2 Bolt chain anchor.


Rick Bradshaw
Los Alamos, NM
Rick Bradshaw   Los Alamos, NM
I can't take credit for this one. I believe the FA was done jointly by Ken Kisiel, Scott Beguin, and Denny Newell. Aug 15, 2007
Aaron Miller
Santa Fe, NM
Aaron Miller   Santa Fe, NM
  • Its the fourth route from the entrance
  • I put last bolt and separate anchors in Summer '07
  • Don't blow fourth clip or will hit the ledge, or worse. Could use retro bolting here.
Dec 11, 2007
Guillatine crack above this route was not done by the old trad masters because of a huge flake to the left of the crack down low. Chris Kessler and I cleaned it off prior to the placement of the anchor at the top of the pitch. It is indeed a great pitch.

Greg Swift and Tim Johnson climbed the crack system immediately to the right by 1984 but unknown whether this was a FA. Apr 2, 2008
Scott Beguin
Santa Fe, NM
Scott Beguin   Santa Fe, NM
Aaron, if you are going to take it upon yourself and retrobolt a route that didn't need it, do it right. It sounds like it is more dangerous than the original line. Don't be lazy. Better yet, leave it alone. It had already been done. Go find a new line, there is plenty of rock out there. Jan 8, 2009
Aaron Miller
Santa Fe, NM
Aaron Miller   Santa Fe, NM
Um, you're kidding right?

I didn't change a thing to this route. There is now an optional last bolt to an individual anchor, separate from Good, so two parties can climb without battling for the anchor. You are still free to climb this in its original form, nothing changed, and traverse to the shared anchor with Good. All bolts (for better or worse) from the original line are intact, you should be happy to hear.

Rather than guessing at what it "sounds like", go check it out. Personally, I would welcome someone helping out my route to make it better. I don't claim to have done a perfect job every route I've set. Take Clovis Hunter for example. Lance went ahead without asking and put up an alternate finish on that route, which was already a very frequented classic line in the Solar Cave. He also moved the location of two bolts near the crux to reduce ankle or shin damage. I was psyched and thanked him. He gave something to the climbing community that will last a long time and improve the overall quality of the crag!!!

Also, see my comment for Chopping Block. It applies here too.

lazily typed from my computer chair....

-aaron Jan 4, 2013