Type: Trad, 1900 ft, 18 pitches, Grade V
FA: Bryan Becker and Ed Webster
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Shared By: phil broscovak on Jun 4, 2006
Admins: Leo Paik, John McNamee, Frances Fierst, Monty, Monomaniac

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The Diagonal Will aka DW (not to be confused with the PW though the rocks speak the same language) is a route most people would choose to not repeat. I know I have no desire to return. For me, twice was enough, more than. It's not that the climbing is bad. In fact, much of the route involves exceptional movement. It's not that it isn't a scenic route. Au contraire the views from there are not to spare. It is most likely that the two most common things you and your partner will be saying are "ROCK!" and "on belay... DON'T FALL!". This is really Not a climb for the faint-hearted who lust after safe rock and solid anchors. No no this IS a route for PIRATES! On both of my excursions, I can recall levels of terror and serenity that are unparalleled in my Black Canyon experiences.

After turning the roof, the climbers are confronted with a profound decision. Everything is attempting to force you up and to the left but you have to find a passage to the right. The climbing up the Swallow Wall to the left looks intriguing at first. But all to soon, the immense dihedral rolls over into the gnarliest set of overhanging raptor beaks and talons. To the right involves managing a breach in the overhanging right wall of the DW dihedral. The pitch ends at a stance amongst a jumble of sharp edged loosely stacked flakes and blocks in the most exposed place imaginable. Considering that the next pitch involved a tricky traverse up and right for 90' of unprotected pegmatite face and a to the knot full rope length of climbing all on a "DON'T FALL!" belay, it is no wonder that my hands are sweating just writing about it almost thirty years later. That belay in space was the single most frightening place I have ever been in the Black.

Fortunately, after the peg traverse, the route kicks back into just hard for the last 5 or 6 pitches of obvious route finding. As to information about the rock fall from the cruxy pitch below the long roof, all I can say is "tell me something I don't know." Both times I was there, that portion of the route looked like a huge dirty snow cone just crammed there by some spoiled rotten giant brat. And each time I was there it looked very different. It was highly changeable stone! And it was always desperately unprotected there as well. So, what change has occurred? Probably more of the same!

The DW is the steamy underside of Black Canyon misadventures. If asked if I would ever go back for the three-Pete, I would have to answer that depends. On what you might ask? On whether I could haul enough Depends with me.


Diagonal Will is the most obvious feature on the entire buttress. Follow the long right facing, left leaning dihedral system. Continue through the far left side of the big long roof where it becomes a left facing overhanging dihedral system. Whereupon you must Will your self rightward to get to a different left facing system and the top. Easy! Except you should note that DW starts atop the largest single collection of talus at the base of any wall in the Black.


Take whatever you can carry in addition to a full Black Canyon trad/free rack. NO bolts or pins were ever used on the DW in the old days.


phil broscovak
phil broscovak  
Tom Pulaski and I did the 2nd free ascent of the DW the weekend following Ed & Bryan's ascent. Tom had looked at that line for years. We thought we had a first ascent until I ran across a few chalked holds. The rock was so bad it was hard to imagine anyone being there ahead of us. Every pitch shed rock like fleas from an old cur dog. While we were ascending there was some campers pitched directly below the route. There was nothing we could do, and, even from 1500' up, we could still hear their virulent invectives. But really how many times can you yell ROCK at the top of your lungs before the idea sinks in. In the morning after our unplanned bivy, we realized that they had used the cease fire of nightfall to move the shrapnel shattered remnants of their tent to more covered terrain. To this day, I am sorry to those poor folks. It wasn't on purpose I assure you. And even the act of retreating would have just rained more rock down. Jun 4, 2006
Allen Hill
FIve Points, Colorado and Pine
Allen Hill   FIve Points, Colorado and Pine
I thought Chuck and Doug Scott did the second ascent. Maybe I'm thinking of the Hooker. I did a early ascent of it and stopped climbing in the Black for three years as a result. Jul 24, 2010
phil broscovak
phil broscovak  
No, Allen, this was in the mid seventies. Chuck and Doug were not even in Gunnison yet. As far as I know, neither of them ever did Diagonal Will. Jul 29, 2010
Allen Hill
FIve Points, Colorado and Pine
Allen Hill   FIve Points, Colorado and Pine
My mistake. Now my next question is who did the Hooker and Diagonal Will first with aid? Hooker was Covington maybe? Kor did the Diagonal Will first? And which route was glorified with a cover photo on Climbing magazine of Bryan? I know that answer. Aug 1, 2010
I climbed Diagonal Will back in the early '80s. Judging by the huge amount of fine rock dust on the crux pitch, the ascent must have been right after the rockfall which removed one side of what should have been a 5.9 chimney pitch. But despite the loose rock, I thought Diagonal Will was by far the best route I have done in the Black (out of 10 routes). I think the route description above makes it sound so horrendous that a lot of climbers will avoid a great adventure on a challenging and beautiful route.

I lead all the hard pitches, and there were no bad landings. All the belays were good. The 5-10+ pegmatite pitch will likely test your head and your route finding abilities. Small Lowe Tri-Cams are very useful on the run out pitches - they often go in where nothing else will. Mar 31, 2012