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Routes in Desperate Dome (Desperate Reality Cliff)

Black Crack T,TR 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b
Corner Man T 5.10a/b 6a+ 19 VI+ 19 E2 5b R
Desperate Reality T 5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6b
El Corador T 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b
Fight Club T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b
Fistfighter T,TR 5.11c 6c+ 24 VIII- 24 E4 6a
Kid Gloves T 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Temple of the Wind T 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Warm Up, The S,TR 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c
Type: Trad, 50 ft
FA: Chris Banks and Eric Forney, 2010
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Shared By: C Banks on Feb 16, 2017

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Don’t let its name and unassuming appearance fool you; this route packs a surprising punch. Begin 30’ left and slightly downhill from The Slab Route at the base of an obtuse right-facing dihedral with a small roof eight feet off the mat. Ascend this feature but don't let yourself get pinned in the corner. Traverse 10’ right along an obvious break to gain a hands to fist crack. Fight your way up this crack to a huge sloping belay ledge. Belay and rap from a fixed cable through a thread at the back of the ledge.


Single rack to a #4 Camalot


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D Graham
D Graham   Dallas
This thing sheds gravel/sand sized choss, double check placement rock quality. May 2, 2017
C Banks
Tucson, AZ
C Banks   Tucson, AZ
Hey, I didn't say this route was The Naked Edge. And shouldn't one always double-check gear placements, regardless of the route or its relative rock quality?

Eric Forney and I have put considerable effort into transforming Desperate Dome into the quality free climbing destination that it is today. Without Eric and me there would be only four routes at Desperate. Now there are nine, including five high-quality and well-protected 5.10's. Maybe you should act appreciative of those efforts? If you got on The Warm Up while you were at the cliff, perhaps you'd be more thankful if you knew that, if not for my efforts, right at the crux you'd have been clipping a piece of shit bolt that was broken off in its hole, probably due to overtightening when it was first placed. Yeah, I was the one who ferreted out that ticking timebomb, almost completely invisible unless you knew exactly what to look for, and replaced it as well as the top anchors with brand new stainless steel.

You know, most climbers who visit Desperate come away totally impressed with the quantity and quality of the routes, particularly for the 5.10 climber. For some particularly odd reason, however, you have taken a completely opposite approach and chosen to come on MP to bitch about what you didn't like. Is your comment adding anything to the climbing community at large? Is it necessary? I can tell you that the only way you could possibly have pulled off that much loose rock is if you got worked into a lieback and were pawing desperately at the sides of the extremely flared crack. The solution to your dilemma isn't to come on MP and bitch about the rock quality. It's to figure out how to jam the crack (by far the most efficient way to get through the crux), so that you avoid any loose rock altogether.

It's disappointing to me that climbers who otherwise have nothing to offer the climbing community find themselves adequate to criticize the efforts of climbers who actually put in work for everyone else. How many climbing days have you spent lugging around two ropes, a rack and slings, hammer, bolt kit, crowbar, wire brushes, bolts, hardware, etc. in addition to your normal climbing stuff? How many days have you spent pulling old quarter-inch bolts, hand-drilling 3/8" bolts in hard granite, wire brushing copious amounts of lichen that you're still scraping out of your ears a week later, rapping down cliffs in search of new lines, or simply fighting through the refuge's fixed anchor policy that makes earning a permit just to replace existing anchors about as difficult as gaining clearance to the U.S. nuclear missile arsenal? Been to Lichen Wall this year? If you have, I bet you didn't thrash through a 30-foot long continuous stretch of green briars growing across the trail between Leaning Tower and Lichen Wall. You know why? It's because I spent an hour and a half cutting those briars off the trail back in April. I got my legs cut up to shit doing it, too, and apparently all so that bitchy climbers like you will have even more climbs to bitch about. Jun 1, 2017

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