Type: Sport, 45 ft
FA: Chris Archer, Al "Poncho" Torrisi, John Bragg, Monica Fitzgerald
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Shared By: Chris Archer on Mar 26, 2012
Admins: Leo Paik, John McNamee, Frances Fierst, Monty, Monomaniac

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Beween "Bar None" and "What If You're Not", this route climbs a thin 5.9 section to a ledge. Fun jug hauling over a roof leads past the third bolt to a decision: head left directly up the bolt line on surprisingly good finger rails at 10- or head right on jugs that lower the difficulty. Thanks to OSMP for their support and cooperation!


This climb is between "Bar None" and "What If You're Not".


7 QDs.


Leo Paik
Westminster, Colorado
Leo Paik   Westminster, Colorado  
Matt, if I recall correctly, this route went through a review process where folks were allowed to provide comment prior to the route's approval. That is probably the time to provide constructive input. Aug 23, 2012
John RB
Superior, CO
John RB   Superior, CO
This route is probably 10a if you go straight up the bolt line, but you can veer left on the lower section (to get big holds) and then veer right up high (juggy rail to the right), and it probably is more like 5.8+/5.9-.

Nowhere near as epic and gorgeous as the two bolted lines to the right (What if You're Not and Wing Ding) but still worth doing. Mar 17, 2018
Matt B
Boulder, CO
Matt B   Boulder, CO
3-star climbing marred only by length - making it only a 2-star route in my book. It's definitely pumpy but has some great climbing! Apr 29, 2018