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By Mat Brunton
Jul 12, 2015
|Hatcher has very fun granite and great rock for Southcentral AK. However, question the ratings found for climbs listed here. It is hard to give any route at Hatcher 3-4 stars, if using the rating system relative to other quality granite climbing areas. For example, it is hard to find routes in Hatcher that would be rated higher than two stars in a place like Squamish.|
By The Shocker
Jul 12, 2015
|Go climb the Quartz Crack on Didlikama, and then say that again. Or the Tennis shoe cracks. Or Catch the Wave direct. The best routes in Hatcher pass aren't in any guidebook and require an approach that filters most people out. Yes, I've climbed in Squamish. And Patagonia. It's interesting how people climb a few of the trade routes close to the road, get rained on, and then dismiss the quality of the climbing there. Mind you, there is a lot of choss to be found, but most quality granite climbing areas start that way. Without s doubt there are true 4 star routes to do there. If you know where they are and are willing to walk for it. Development in HP is still in its infancy.|
By Mat Brunton
Jul 13, 2015
Note the verbiage: "It is hard to give any route at Hatcher 3-4 stars, if using the rating system relative to other quality granite climbing areas. For example, it is hard to find routes in Hatcher that would be rated higher than two stars in a place like Squamish."
I didn't say it isn't possible. I sure hope you will share more of the HP gems you know about with the community, Shocker!
As for relativity, at the Smoke Bluffs there are 35m pitches of magical granite (that are cleaner than I've ever been) stacked right next to each other like a climbing gym less than 100 yds from the parking lot (i.e. Supervalue zone). This is just one zone (of many), at one climbing area (of many).
Currently at Hatcher, one has to bike four miles and hike a mile for pitches that are good and fun (not to mention in a setting that is hard to beat) but generally short, spread out, and with questionable cleanliness. Once the road opens, it will cut out 2.5 miles of that approach, but still...
I don't dismiss the quality of anything at HP. It hosts some of my favorite ski descents; packraft road runs; huts; backpacking trips; and some good ice, mixed, and granite climbing!
Route development potential for granite rock climbing is seemingly endless at Hatcher. However, there are many hindrances...
By The Shocker
Jul 14, 2015
|Note the verbiage I used. "Requires an approach that filters most people out". Biking and hiking for an hour is HARD work for some people, I'll admit. And using ones own eyes instead if a guidebook also seems to be hard work for most folks these days too... Your emphasis is well put. I guess my point is that a greater time commitment to get to quality climbing doesn't equate difficulty to me. Some folks preferr instant gratification, and will settle for nothing less. Difficulty is realitive I suppose. And I'm pretty sure the climbs at the Smoke Bluffs didn't start out as clean as they are now. Lots of scrubbing, and countless ascents make them that way. The type of folks that don't mind an approach are also the people that will do some scrubbing on a newer route to help clean it up for future ascents. The type of individuals that whine about approaches tend to be the ones that whine about a bit of lichen at a new crag, rather than doing something about it...|