Dogs that bite

Frank Stein wrote:

There is no place for aggressive dogs in public, period. This is me holding my nose in place and being admitted to the ER after an unprovoked attack on me and our dog by three off-leash pit bulls at a crag. Our dog ended up in an adjacent animal ER with arguably worse injuries. She did recover and my nose was stitched back on. 

When did this happen? How are you doing?

Care to share more of the story?

"Were the dogs destroyed?"

The owners should be destroyed. This is primarily a human problem.

apogee wrote:

"Were the dogs destroyed?"

The owners should be destroyed. This is primarily a human problem.

That would be “murder”. Obviously we, as a species, value humans over dogs. Dogs are wild animals and if they can’t be controlled they need to be put down.

As much as some might prefer to murder the humans that is currently not allowed in our social contruct.

Tradiban wrote:

That would be “murder”. Obviously we, as a species, value humans over dogs. Dogs are wild animals and if they can’t be controlled they need to be put down.

As much as some might prefer to murder the humans that is currently not allowed in our social contruct.

I mean, anything is allowed if you don’t get caught.

The owners grabbed their dogs and fled while others at the scene rendered assistance. Someone else called 911, the dog owners were stopped and cited by the sheriff, and the dogs were confiscated. Yes, the dogs were put down, but the owners were little more than kids, and essentially judgment proof.
My nose and scalp were sewn back on and our pup recovered fully after a few weeks. This was five years ago, and she’s still afraid of any pitbull type dogs and tries to avoid them at all costs. 

Frank Stein wrote:

The owners grabbed their dogs and fled while others at the scene rendered assistance. Someone else called 911, the dog owners were stopped and cited by the sheriff, and the dogs were confiscated. Yes, the dogs were put down, but the owners were little more than kids, and essentially judgment proof.
My nose and scalp were sewn back on and our pup recovered fully after a few weeks. This was five years ago, and she’s still afraid of any pitbull type dogs and tries to avoid them at all costs. 

Did they pay any of your medical/vet bills? Were they held responsible in any way?

I think we've established in past threads that killing or injuring a dog that you belive poses a threat to you, or that bit you on the ankle or something minor like that, would likely result in legal consequences.  In my view, that is as it should be.

However, this is completely different.  If a dog or dogs attack a human basically to kill them, as it seems in this case, I don't think a law enforcement officer or court in the country would punish somebody for defending themselves.  In my view, that is also as it should be.  

If the owners were minors, their parents should have been held responsible.  If they were young adults with drug problems, dirt bag lifestyles, or whatever, they should have be held responsable.

Some of you might be following the "Bully XL story" in the UK.  This has some similarities.  As a general rule, I don't think we can say that certain breeds are more or less aggresive than others.  However, we can definitely say that if certain breeds are aggresive, the consequences can be severe.  Owning these high-risk dogs should come with additional controls and responsabilities.

Kenny Parker wrote:

I was at Mountain Rose yesterday and a woman w two dogs was climbing close by.  Her dog bit me whole I was packing my gear.  She said she was sorry but continued to climb and not remove the two dogs that were Healers.  If you have an unfriendly dog.  Leave it home.  This woman said her dogs never acted like this.  BS.  If you dog should not be around people don't bring them. You know who they are. THE BITE REALLY SWELLED UP LAST NIGHT.  SOME SAY I SHOULD SUE.  I probably won't but I hope this brings awareness to these Selfish people who thing their dogs are special.  Many times people.  Climbers and dogs don't mix.  Wake up 

  

Were the dogs off leash prior to biting? Were they put on a leash after the fact? We need more details if you are going to try and air dirty laundry like this bro. We are here for the drama, but we need fuel for your fire.

Also if this was in the Front Range, then it’s almost expected to find a shitty crag dog…

Bruno Schull wrote:

  As a general rule, I don't think we can say that certain breeds are more or less aggresive than others. 

You are delusional

Kenny Parker wrote:

I was at Mountain Rose yesterday and a woman w two dogs was climbing close by.  Her dog bit me whole I was packing my gear.  She said she was sorry but continued to climb and not remove the two dogs that were Healers.  If you have an unfriendly dog.  Leave it home.  This woman said her dogs never acted like this.  BS.  If you dog should not be around people don't bring them. You know who they are. THE BITE REALLY SWELLED UP LAST NIGHT.  SOME SAY I SHOULD SUE.  I probably won't but I hope this brings awareness to these Selfish people who thing their dogs are special.  Many times people.  Climbers and dogs don't mix.  Wake up 

  

Healers (Dogs, not people) are a cattle herding breed, and have been bred specifically to herd cattle and to bite the legs of cattle, in order to do so. These dogs can be super smart and affectionate, otherwise well behaved, and still display this biting/nipping behavior. No dog with this behavior should EVER be brought to a crag. The consequences of a dog biting an active belayer can easily be imagined.
I don’t really know what the best/correct response should be in this situation, but clearly these dogs do not belong at the crags.
 

I like dogs, but I think the best solution is to always bring a large chocolate cake to the crag and keep it next to your pack. Owners will be required to keep their dogs away from you. 

grug g wrote:

You are delusional

That or limited life experience.  Most of the pro dog people either live in a la la land where they can't see bad dog ownership or have only been to less popular spots. 

I've recounted to Bruno like 6 bad dog encounters I've had over past 5 years and he still doesn't seem to get it. 

What opened my eyes was a dog tied to bush at Bath rock that bit my kid while my other kid was climbing.   Maybe he just needs that experience. Also, the dog was just a regular looking mutt.  

I’m telling you bringing chocolate crag cake is the solution. I can think of maybe two good reasons for bringing a dog to a crag, but the reasons for bringing chocolate crag cake to a crag are endless:

- I brought it for my birthday

- I brought it for your birthday

- I brought it to celebrate my send

- I brought it to celebrate your send

- I couldn’t leave it at home alone, my fridge is broken 

The list goes on and on.

You can make as many friends, if not more, by bringing chocolate crag cake than you could a crag dog.

I guarantee my chocolate crag cake won’t wonder over and bite you. In fact, YOU can bite my chocolate crag cake!

If your out of control crag dog wanders over and attacks my chocolate crag cake, guess whose leaving the crag early to go to the vet? Not me and my chocolate crag cake buddy.

Chocolate crag cake is superior in all ways.

grug g wrote:

You are delusional

It will never happen, but all pit bulls and related mixes should just be sterilized so that we can put an end to the breed. Selective breeding for some truly terrible behavioral attributes, along with the anatomy and musculature for fighting makes for an awful companion animal in a free society where people are allowed to bring their pets into public spaces and comingle with other dogs, kids, etc.

It doesn’t matter if 99% of them are sweet and loving and would never hurt a fly. The statistics (maulings and fatalities) are undeniable. They should be outlawed. Let the current generation of existing pits and their owners live their lives happily and then in 15 or so years this madness will come an end, if they are all sterilized.

Jeremy S wrote:

If your out of control crag dog wanders over and attacks my chocolate crag cake, guess whose leaving the crag early to go to the vet? Not me and my chocolate crag cake buddy!

That's fucken hilarious dude.

apogee wrote:

"Were the dogs destroyed?"

The owners should be destroyed. This is primarily a human problem.

The statistics disagree when it comes to ‘PiBbLeS’

Hi Grug Grug!   Hi Jorden!

Glad to see we can get this going again!

@ grug grug if you look at the statistics, I beleive you will find that no breed is more inclined to bite than another.   The damage inflicted by bites, and fatal attacks, that's a different story, as I wrote above.  It's like the liklihood/consequence risk equation.  Dogs with higher consequences require more control.  I support the mandatiory sterilization of these fighting breeds, as well as greater controls on opwnership, and punshments adn penalties for not following guidelines.  But the resources just aren't there for enforcement.

@ Jordan...if you've had 6 bad dog encounters in 5 years you're doing something wrong.  Plain and simple.  

I love chocolate cake!  If I find a cake lying around at the crag, I'm going to eat it!  

Todd Berlier wrote:

there is no such thing as bad breeds, just bad owners. granted, there are some breeds more prone to being aggressive and a reasonable argument can be made for eradicating them, but i don't support it. 

I don’t disagree, but the real problem is bad dog owners combined with breeds with jaw size and bite strength easily capable of killing or seriously wounding humans. Get rid of pitbulls, and asshole owners would just get german shepards or other “tough looking“ breeds instead.

Heck, I had asshole neighbors that had multiple labradors destroyed because they were neglected to point they became neurotic aggressive messes and attacked people repeatedly. 

Eli W wrote:

I don’t disagree, but the real problem is bad dog owners combined with breeds with jaw size and bite strength easily capable of killing or seriously wounding humans. Get rid of pitbulls, and asshole owners would just get german shepards or other “tough looking“ breeds instead.

Heck, I had asshole neighbors that had multiple labradors destroyed because they were neglected to point they became neurotic aggressive messes and attacked people repeatedly. 

Dog behavior clearly has a genetic component. Look at the behaviors of herding dogs, pointers, etc. pit bulls were bred for aggression. That’s why they’re the most aggressive breed. Don’t be fooled by their cute faces and big eyes