Dogs that bite

Is Bruno actually Trevor? 

SO WHAT’S THE CONSENSUS?

Colonel Mustardwrote:

SO WHAT’S THE CONSENSUS?

It’s a complicated issue.   Might take a thread or two more to sort out.  

Dr Logic wrote:

Can't we max this one out first?

I'm doing my part!

Go Back to Super Topowrote:

lol its not the easiest going of dogs that are the ones needing the muzzles though

Bite thresholds are variable. One day a dog is super chill but then maybe it developes chronic pain or has to experience a stressful move across the county or any number of stressful situations resulting in a lower bite threshold. It is best to train before something like that occurs because it can take weeks or longer to do it properly and may be easier with an easy going dog.

I'm no expert though, I had a reactive foster dog for a couple of months and learned during that experience some stuff about muzzles. 

In addition, it is good to muzzle non reactive dogs because it lowers the stigma of muzzles in general. 

Interesting stuff and I am also helping get this thread to the end! Muzzle your dogs people they come in pink and rainbow now! 

Edit: muzzles will also keep your dog from getting high off of poop at those popular Colorado crags... 

.I dare you to muzzle me...just try

Bruno Schullwrote:

.I dare you to take my gun…just try

FTFY

Adam Rwrote:

Bite thresholds are variable. One day a dog is super chill but then maybe it developes chronic pain or has to experience a stressful move across the county or any number of stressful situations resulting in a lower bite threshold. It is best to train before something like that occurs because it can take weeks or longer to do it properly and may be easier with an easy going dog.

I'm no expert though, I had a reactive foster dog for a couple of months and learned during that experience some stuff about muzzles. 

In addition, it is good to muzzle non reactive dogs because it lowers the stigma of muzzles in general. 

Interesting stuff and I am also helping get this thread to the end! Muzzle your dogs people they come in pink and rainbow now! 

Edit: muzzles will also keep your dog from getting high off of poop at those popular Colorado crags... 

Yeah…I can see you entirely missed my point…

Go Back to Super Topowrote:

Yeah…I can see you entirely missed my point…

Dumb it down for me. 

Bruno Schullwrote:

.I dare you to muzzle me...just try

Are you implying that this dog is a threat?

Adam Rwrote:

Dumb it down for me. 

Within the context of the discussion a muzzle would likely not be required for the easy going dogs. It would be more for the non-easy going dogs (I.e. the ones that would be predisposed/more likely to exhibit aggression and/or bite someone). I don’t disagree with most your last post, but my point is just that the chill, relaxed (read: well trained dogs) are not the ones who are gonna need muzzles, especially within the context of “dogs at the crag”. 

Go Back to Super Topowrote:

Within the context of the discussion a muzzle would not be required for the easy going dogs. It would be more for the non-easy going dogs (I.e. the ones that would be predisposed/more likely to exhibit aggression and/or bite someone). I don’t disagree with most your last post, but my point is just that the chill, relaxed (read: well trained dogs) are not the ones who require muzzles, especially within the context of “dogs at the crag”. 

That's a long way of saying that you don't really understand  dog behavior and their social structure.  

ANY dog, no matter how well trained or relaxed can become aggressive and bite.  It all depends on the situation they are in and their current mental state.    

Dog says, no muzzle for me please

Bruno Schullwrote:

Dog says, no muzzle for me please

::gives treat to puppers::

Chad Millerwrote:

::gives treat to puppers::

Pupper bites hand because something you did made it anxious, or because the . otherwise we'll behaved dog has food aggression, or whatever other reason. The reason yall don't like muzzles is because you don't think their cute. And this is coming from someone who is pro crag dog

Go Back to Super Topowrote:

Within the context of the discussion a muzzle would not be required for the easy going dogs. It would be more for the non-easy going dogs (I.e. the ones that would be predisposed/more likely to exhibit aggression and/or bite someone). I don’t disagree with most your last post, but my point is just that the chill, relaxed (read: well trained dogs) are not the ones who require muzzles, especially within the context of “dogs at the crag”. 

Ah okay, I see your confusion. I was suggesting that it is good to train even easy going dogs to wear muzzles if the need for them to wear one arises at some point in the future. I was not suggesting that easy going dogs need to wear muzzles to the crag. 

Edit: As others have noted though, there are good reasons for otherwise easy going dogs to wear muzzles to the crag. 

Edit 2: Muzzles should not be used for extended periods of time such as an entire climbing outing and are not a replacement for working on reactivity/training with your dog. 

Chad Millerwrote:

That's a long way of saying that you don't really understand  dog behavior and their social structure.  

ANY dog, no matter how well trained or relaxed can become aggressive and bite.  It all depends on the situation they are in and their current mental state.    

You’re confusing ability with likelihood. These are two very, very different things. Please reference the 8a thread. I also never once said a dog can’t become reactive and bite. I actually don’t believe I mentioned anything about being aggressive and biting. My only comment was that muzzles, generally speaking and within the context of this thread, are not meant for the “easy going” crag dogs…but rather, the reactive/poorly trained dogs. All in all you entirely missed my point, but at least were trolling in the process. Kudos

If we really want to get to the nitty-gritty name calling, it’s you who is showing your ignorance on the subject by using terms like “aggressive” when, in reality, you mean “reactive”. Very few dogs are actually aggressive whereas nearly all dogs are varying levels of reactive. If you are confused on the difference ask an actual dog trainer. Most are very active on the social medias. I can @ several of the more respected ones throughout the country if you’d like. #notcesarmilan

Bruno Schullwrote:

Dog says, no muzzle for me please

Why are you anti muzzle? Aren't you pro dog? They are an important tool for the responsible dog owner. 

Saying that muzzles are pro dog is like saying that hanscuffs are pro human.  

The "muzzles or muzzle traning for all dogs" perspective is crazy and thankfully is not followed by the great majority of reasonable dog owners.  

Bruno Schullwrote:

Saying that muzzles are pro dog is like saying that hanscuffs are pro human.  

The "muzzles or muzzle traning for all dogs" perspective is crazy and thankfully is not followed by the great majority of reasonable dog owners.  

Weird metaphor, but no.