Dogs that bite

Not Not MP Adminwrote:

I count less than a dozen

Exercise, physical and mental stimulation, vitamin d

Companionship, climbing, vitamin D, their chocolate cake occasionally stolen 

The number of dogs that are unhappy at the crag vasts in comparison to those that are jubilant and thriving (by dog standards, not human standards lol)

This is how I feel every time I belay someone on their way-too-hard-for-me project. That’s not exclusive to dogs.

My dog absolutely, 100% loves sleeping and/or sniffing off in the corner of the crag (on a leash away from everything) much more than he will ever enjoy sleeping on the couch or his bed at home where he can be any other day.

I honestly agree with your overall sentiment that most dogs at the crag need better training, to be leashed, and often times both….but you’re coming off as person who doesn’t really have a dog of your own. 

Happy you agree with me. I own a Newfoundland.  His name is Pickles.  I love him and have hiked weekly with him for 8 years. I own some sheep sheers to groom him myself.

Honestly if your dog is actually chill at the crag cool I don't mind the dog, but most owners seem to overestimate how the dog does at the crag. 

 The first time I ever argued with Bruno he told me Luna loves the crag then like a month later he admitted she hated the crag. Again it seems to me and others most owners ignore how much the dog likes the crag or abuses the crag.  

If going to the crag is how you create companionship with your dog you're probably doing it wrong.

Also I don't really get what you saying about belaying someone projecting above their pay grade and happy crag dogs.  Feels like an excuse to make a gate keeping comment?  I dunno. 

Bruno Schullwrote:

@ grug grug if you look at the statistics, I beleive you will find that no breed is more inclined to bite than another.   The damage inflicted by bites, and fatal attacks, that's a different story, as I wrote above.  It's like the liklihood/consequence risk equation.  Dogs with higher consequences require more control.  I support the mandatiory sterilization of these fighting breeds, as well as greater controls on opwnership, and punshments adn penalties for not following guidelines.  But the resources just aren't there for enforcement.

@ Jordan...if you've had 6 bad dog encounters in 5 years you're doing something wrong.  Plain and simple.  

I love dogs, both my own and other peoples. In 62 years I've only been bitten once. I was just a kid when it happened and I probably deserved it given the way I was treating the dog. But here's the thing, it was a dachshund and the damage was minor. If it had been a bigger dog the consequences for both of us would have been a lot more severe so I second Bruno that dogs with higher consequences require more control. That's not to excuse a poorly behaved small dog but breed does matter when it comes to risk. As to dogs at the crag I think it's fine if it's not crowded, the dog is well socialized and is kept on a leash but I've certainly seen situations where that's not the case.

I'll see your chocolate cake and raise you a big bowl of spicy beans!

Chocolate is toxic to dogs. Don't punish the dog, punish the owner. A big bowl of spicy beans will lead to flatulence and possibly diarrhea on the car ride home!

Not Not MP Adminwrote:

Exercise, physical and mental stimulation, vitamin d

Please don't make up stuff:

In humans, sunlight causes our skin to make a vitamin D precursor which is converted to the active form by your liver and kidneys. Hence vitamin D is often referred to as “the sunshine vitamin.” However, the skin of dogs and cats lacks the ability to use sunlight to synthesize the vitamin D precursor in their skin. Their only source of vitamin D is their diet.

From: https://www.amcny.org/blog/2021/07/28/vitamin-d-and-pets-what-you-need-to-know/

Marc801 Cwrote:

Please don't make up stuff:

From: https://www.amcny.org/blog/2021/07/28/vitamin-d-and-pets-what-you-need-to-know/

Me saying vitamin D was inferring sunlight, but I get it inferences are hard for you Marc. I’m also not technically wrong. But that’s not really my point or the premise of my initial post. Keep on trolling though Marc. Real recognize real.  

”While dogs do indeed convert some sunlight to vitamin D, unlike people and many other mammals, they are not very efficient at this. Most of a dog’s (and cat’s) vitamin D should come from their diet”

The Role of Vitamin D in Small Animal Bone Metabolism

I think this is the strangest dog thread yet.  We are reaching new levels of abstract innanity.

Prince Kitty Hatr wrote:

You said, “climbing with him because he thought she would love just watching him do this stupid thing that she didn't understand“. To which, I replied that is exactly how I feel when belaying my strong friends on their projects. It was funny. I laughed. Clearly the humor was missed by you. Typical.

 Yeah, sorry I read that wrong, my bad.  Good self-deprecating humor.  I don't know if misreading something is "typical" of me if so I'll work on it.  Humor however I'm always down for so keep laying it on.

As for naming Pickles wish I could take credit.  When my wife and I brought him home I had all these regal names in mind like King George or Tiberius and my 5 year daughter said he should be named Pickles.  Damn she nailed it. 

Again, no animosity to dogs, just if you own a dog put some fore thought into your activities with the dog.  Most the time certain hobbies or places should be reconsidered for most dogs. 

Had a funny run in with a dog owner this morning while waiting at the bus stop with my kids.  This lady came up walking a juvenile/puppy dog and walked right through 15 kids stuffed on a corner waiting for the school bus. While she approached, she started yelling "No one touch him he's still training, stay away he still bites!!!!" Like she had been b-lining it to us for a block and a half to a crowd of kids on a corner who are at this corner every day just to cut through the middle of the crowd.  The other side of the road, the middle of the road, someone else's lawn was all open.  Just a little fore thought was all that was needed.  

"The statistics disagree when it comes to ‘PiBbLeS’"

A current state of boredom finally made me look this up. 

The Pibble: How a New Name Can Help the Misunderstood Pit Bull

Why are pitbulls called pibble?

The word Pibble is being used more and more to help rehabilitate the Pit Bull brand. According to a recent article in The New York Times, Pibble is joining the word Pittie and some other cute nicknames to help convey the sweet and gentle nature of this loyal and loving breed.

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So the status of this breed is now so damaged that it requires a reputational campaign to try to change it. Nice work, humans.

Not Not MP Adminwrote:

Me saying vitamin D was inferring sunlight, but I get it inferences are hard for you Marc. 

Pretty snarky for someone who doesn't know the difference between implication and inference.

Chocolate factory crag is about to be lit. 

Ryan Surfacewrote:

Chocolate factory crag is about to be lit. 

Pssssht. I can’t even imagine Chocolate Cake at Red Feather Lakes. As if a front range four star V0- wasn’t appealing as is!!!

Not Not MP Adminwrote:

Me saying vitamin D was inferring sunlight,...

Of course. It was stunningly obvious

 but I get it inferences are hard for you Marc.

...but you just couldn't resist the snark.

”While dogs do indeed convert some sunlight to vitamin D, unlike people and many other mammals, they are not very efficient at this. Most of a dog’s (and cat’s) vitamin D should come from their diet”

'Some', 'most', 'should' - nicely quantitative. Yes, definitely your dog is getting a bunch of vitamin D from sun exposure.  

apogeewrote:

"The statistics disagree when it comes to ‘PiBbLeS’"

A current state of boredom finally made me look this up. 

The Pibble: How a New Name Can Help the Misunderstood Pit Bull

Why are pitbulls called pibble?

The word Pibble is being used more and more to help rehabilitate the Pit Bull brand. According to a recent article in The New York Times, Pibble is joining the word Pittie and some other cute nicknames to help convey the sweet and gentle nature of this loyal and loving breed.

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So the status of this breed is now so damaged that it requires a reputational campaign to try to change it. Nice work, humans.

Let's do this with guns. I mean rootie-tootie-point-n-shooties

Interesting propaganda piece though 

Todd Berlier wrote:

perspective?

curious what the gun death:pitbull death ratio is?

Curious if you aware that one is an inanimate object capable of causing harm if manipulated, and the other is a living thing that can at any time revert to its instincts and leap a fence to shred a toddler, or climber to pieces because they made a sound they didn't like, or have you been hit in the head by falling rocks in the past?

Prince Kitty Hatr wrote:

I meaaaaannnnnn I would argue it’s equally as snarky coming from someone who doesn’t recognize that in order to infer, one typically makes an educated guess based on what the other person is implying. My bad though, if we are arguing semantics. You are (half) right. I should have said I was “implying” the vitamin D comment was directed at sunlight. Marc was still missing an inference in any regard.

Marc801 Cwrote:

Of course. It was stunningly obvious

...but you just couldn't resist the snark.

Much like you couldn’t resist yours   

'Some', 'most', 'should' - nicely quantitative. Yes, definitely your dog is getting a bunch of vitamin D from sun exposure.  

Sorry, but what exactly did I make up? We are arguing semantics at this point aren’t we? 

Paraphrasing local news, four this morning: man mauled by unnamed breed of dog. Cops shoot dog when threatened. Dog MIA. Sheriff, " anytime dog bites, dog must be quarantined." 

My Motherlode . com

No quandary for Tuolumne Co. LEO

it doesn't get much weirder than this. www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-attacked-by-xl-bully-days-after-defending-the-dogs-on-social-media/ar-AA1hbPG0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b063617963884c719eb7946a1759549e&ei=15

I do wish dog owners would just leave their dogs at home when they go climbing.

I hope OP is healing up quickly