Ten Climbs for 2009

Here are my top ten to do...
The Vampire, Tahquitz Rock, CA
Social Outcast, Bonsai wall, Rumney, NH
The Prow, Cathedral Ledge, NH
Baby Apes, Joshua Tree, CA
The Pirate, Suicide Rock, CA
Airation, Cathedral Ledge, NH
Vertigo, Cannon Cliff, NH
VMC Direct Direct, Cannon Cliff, NH
Pinnacle Buttress, Mt. Washington, NH
The North Face, Rostrum, Yosemite Valley, CA

Coeus wrote:Let's face it climbing is fun, but the true satisfaction comes from goals achieved.

Hey monkey-boy, what if your goal is to have fun?

I keep my tick list to track what I've climbed (in whatever style). I don't care who looks at it, obviously I'm not trying to impress anyone. The only way to know how capable I am is to get out and climb with me.

Kateri seems to have it down too, all the info for a climb is there with footnotes. You seem to be overly worried about something you don't even use yourself.

Mark Cushman wrote: what if your goal is to have fun? .

This is a classic response I hear from people who suck at whatever it is they are trying to do.

"Oh well, I'm just out here to have fun"

1. Ruper
2. The Green Spur
3. The Yellow Spur (reverse lead order this time)
4. Handcracker Direct
5. Chockstone
6. Spaceshot (Aid)
7. Touchstone Wall (Aid)
8. One of the shorter walls in Yosemite
9. Casual Route (Stretch)
10. Stairway to Heaven (I will have my revenge)

Coeus wrote:This is a classic response I hear from people who suck at whatever it is they are trying to do.

You must be having fun trolling, then.

Tony Bubb wrote: Someday you will make inner peace with the idea that people other than yourself achieve happiness in other ways,

I am not trying to interfere with other's happiness, but if someone's happiness rests on failures they are more zen than me.

Tony Bubb wrote: I could play trump cards with you and say that since it's really all about the O.S. and what you can accomplish without programs and beta, and about how your precious redpoints are actually littel more than a cheap compensation for failures to onsight something.

I am not debating OS vs. RP, just send vs. no send

Tony Bubb wrote:The way she handled a rather rude personal assault is more important to me in friendship and in climbing than if she pulled on gear (as SHE stated) on a particular climb or not.

I did not mean to be rude, just point out that some people claim ascents of things they did not do.

By the way if you all review my posts I have not called any one names and yet I am the jerk.

JLP wrote: coitus

funny, but not my name

JLP wrote: clueless wanker

less clueless than you might think

JLP wrote: you little shit

Tony Bubb wrote: middle aged empty nester

not really a name but not me either.

and I am actually asking why poeple claim they do things they don't
to me tick = send to say anything else is to misrepresent. This is not trolling Mr. Cushman.
BTW Tony what about that OS? Check it out I think you typed it that way.

Coeus wrote: If we can't agree on what it means to "do" a route, how can we communicate what we have accomplished.

So is my climb of The Nose in 14:52 last year invalidated because I pulled on gear? I pulled on gear all over the place including on the 5.8 Stovelegs.

Coeus wrote:Let's face it climbing is fun, but the true satisfaction comes from goals achieved.

Wow, I suddenly feel so unsatisfied in my lack of accomplishment. Guess I'll go "off" myself later today out of despair.

Michael Schneiter wrote: So is my climb of The Nose in 14:52 last year invalidated because I pulled on gear? I pulled on gear all over the place including on the 5.8 Stovelegs.

That depends....

Is it "The Nose VI 5.14a" or "The Nose VI 5.9 C2"?

Good job by the way. I couldn't do that.

Michael Schneiter wrote: Guess I'll go "off" myself later today out of despair

Oh well...one fewer aid climber.

Coeus wrote: Oh well...one fewer aid climber.

So, I tried to free climb the Finger of Fate on the Titan. Failed pretty horribly but we still got up the climb without the use of aiders or ascenders. I was pretty happy with our style of ascent even though we failed to free climb the thing.

So, is my ascent of the Finger also invalidated because I "aided"?

To me if I intended to free the thing, because I thought it was in my ability level. I would consider that failing.

I had the same thing happen on Positive Vibrations. I do not count it as a tick. I got up it, which is what I say, but I did not do it.

By the way, it was one of the best days on the rock I have ever had, but I did not send.

Hey, how about this? Move this whole fun, useful and obviously productive topic to its own page and just talk about the rad climbs you want to do this year, in whatever style pleases you.
"The Best Climber is the one having the most fun" quote might be cliche, but come on, its just ROCK CLIMBING!

Coeus wrote:To me if I intended to free the thing, because I thought it was in my ability level. I would consider that failing. I had the same thing happen on Positive Vibrations. I do not count it as a tick. I got up it, which is what I say, but I did not do it. By the way, it was one of the best days on the rock I have ever had, but I did not send.

We didn't know if the Finger was in our ability level but we wanted to give it a try. We are now intimately familiar with the free climbing difficulties of that route even though we failed to free climb it. To us, we took pleasure in knowing that we tried and that we could learn from our experience in a future effort of similar free climbing ventures. If someone asks me if I climbed it, I say, "yes" and I'm happy to tell them that we tried to free climb it but failed horribly.

Agreed, Positive Vibrations is one of the best rock climbs I've ever done.

Mulligan wrote:Here are my top ten to do... The Vampire, Tahquitz Rock, CA Social Outcast, Bonsai wall, Rumney, NH The Prow, Cathedral Ledge, NH Baby Apes, Joshua Tree, CA The Pirate, Suicide Rock, CA Airation, Cathedral Ledge, NH Vertigo, Cannon Cliff, NH VMC Direct Direct, Cannon Cliff, NH Pinnacle Buttress, Mt. Washington, NH The North Face, Rostrum, Yosemite Valley, CA

Now this is a list ! other than Social Outcast and the Pirate, I have done these and they are GREAT !

Ryan Huetter wrote:"The Best Climber is the one having the most fun" quote might be cliche

I think I threw up in my mouth beause of this statement.

I find statements like this somewhat offensive.
It is condescending in a way. Reminds me of something you would say at the Special Olympics, or after a youth soccer game where your team lost.

It's okay....you all are winners....you were having fun!

If you want to stay in the shallow end of the pool for life...go for it.

Michael Schneiter wrote: To us, we took pleasure in knowing that we tried and that we could learn from our experience in a future effort of similar free climbing ventures.

This is one of the most intelligent things said in this whole thread.

I look at my failures in much of the same way.

JLP wrote:someone has finally arrived to let us all know what this "free climbing" thing is really about.

And thus the angels spoketh and saideth that his name is COEUS!!!

It seems like many know what free climbing is...but not what a tick or send is.

Coeus=Troll

Hardly Guy.
I think it is lame to claim things you haven't done.
That is all I am trying to say.

Hey Coeus, don't you know that a good troll prods, then waits for others to respond to the bait? That's three posts in a row from you now...the quality rating of your troll is going down...

...and yes, it's time to get this thread back to its original focus on climbs for 2009, now that Coeus' troll has played itself out.

My climbing goals for 2009: establish at least 10 new moderate routes that are fun, clean, and reasonably protected, that other climbers will enjoy.

Mark Cushman wrote: You must be having fun trolling, then.

good one...touche
but if I am not trying to be trolling, yet having fun doing it, and hanging all over a top rope while doing this do I get to put it on my tick list?

I did not know that a good troll prods and then waits for someone to respond. I am saying what I really think about climbing.

I really get cheesed when people claim things that they haven't done, even if the problem is semantics.