White Punks on Dope
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Considered by many to be the best moderate route in Southern California. Six incredible, wildly diverse pitches make this a Sierra Classic.
Pitch 1 (5.7+)
A beautiful, knobby crack slowly tapers before leading to a belay in a comfortable alcove. Stretch a 60m rope to reach the alcove. Climbers with a 50m rope will need to establish a belay from gear before the crack tapers to nothing.
Pitch 2 (5.8+)
Leaving the alcove is the clear crux of the pitch. Climb delicate face holds out the north (left-hand) wall of the alcove. Climb a slab alongside a thin crack and establish a belay in a cave-like alcove above.
Pitch 3 (5.7)
Exit right and enter a large chasm. Walk along the chasm to the far end. Chimney up and then scramble to a spacious ledge beneath the famous dihedral.
Pitch 4 (5.8/5.9)
One of the most memorable pitches you'll ever do. Lieback a wave-like left-facing dihedral. A finger size crack in the corner takes many small nuts, cams, & TCUs. Just as the difficulty eases, the crack widens into a gaping offwidth--place a 4-5" piece before setting off on the runout. Continue liebacking sans protection to a small belay ledge. Save some small gear for the belay. DO NOT be seduced out left of the offwidth onto face holds.
Pitch 5 (5.8)
Runout, diagonaling slab climbing past 4 bolts leads to a ledge with an aging pine tree (stump?!). The runouts are not horrendous.
Pitch 6 (5.8)
Step 15-20 feet left of the tree/stump and climb a beautiful splitter to the top.
Wide Punks on Dope is located in a large recess on the South/Southwest side of the dome. The recess is created by a massive detached block on the right-hand side which abuts the dome. The approach from Needlerock Creek takes 45-90 minutes depending on your experience with the trail.
To descend from White Punks, walk north along the crest of the dome. Find the spot where the main east-west ridgeline nearly meets the top of Voodoo dome. Look for slings around a constriction and make a short rappel to the ground. Walk east or west (I like east) and then south around the dome.
Also, see Voodoo Dome main page.
Small to 3", carry extra small gear, 4-5" piece recommended.
White Punks on Dope by The Tubes, 1978.
Following P2, just after pulling the roof.
Looking up at the P4 dihedral
Looking down in the P4 dihedral, right before the ...
Nearing the top of P4, in the wide run-out part.
The top of P5 (face climbing, bolts)
Climbers on pitch 4, taken from the fire tower.
Same photo, cropped in the original resolution, wi...
BETA PHOTO: First pitch is the curving 5.7 crack on the right.
Diana leads the roof pitch (start of P2). Note la...
Diana follows the sweet slab pitch.
BETA PHOTO: Looking down the first pitch. Note my sew-a-rama ...
BETA PHOTO: White Punks on Dope, p4
Deb Golden Modugno out on the face belayed from ab...
An idea of what the runouts look like on P5.
Coming up the wide section on P4
THe P2 overhang
Chad F on the first pitch.
|Comments on White Punks on Dope
|By Richard Beller|
Oct 10, 2006
This is a superb moderate route. Make sure to bring a 60 meter rope, as we came up short on virtually every pitch with a 50 meter rope. Also, make sure to scope out the correct crack on pitch 1 -- the one that continues all the way to the roof. We started on a crack 20 feet or so to the left, which petered out after 130 feet or so. Pitch 4 is a fairly continuous lieback crack of about one inch or less, so have plenty of gear in that range. A larger piece (#4 or #5 Camalot equivalent) is convenient for protecting the end of the pitch, but the angle is pretty low at that point, so this isn't a necessity.
Lastly -- what is the best way to descend the route? We did six full-rope rappels, which took forever. I've heard that there's an easy scramble off the other side, but I haven't done it.
Oct 11, 2006
The best rap requires two ropes, and would be 4 raps in my dim recollection. The key to this is realizing to move about 30' climbers left after the 3rd(?) rap, to the top of Dihedral Grope.
|By Tim McCabe|
Mar 26, 2007
rating: 5.8+ PG13
As recommended to me prior to climbing this route with a 60 meter rope combine the first pitch with the first part of the second and belay below the roof/alcove. The do the crux moves of pitch two with no rope drag and finish pitch 3 in two pitches. I never brought anything bigger than a #4 friend for the 4th pitch TCUís and Aliens are good to have. I always did the friction pitch by clipping all 4 bolts just keep moving right the old guide only show 3 bolts and then straight up to belay right at the base of the final crack. That would be the original route IMO but I would recommend doing the 4 bolt version (I think the 4th bolt is on a different route but itís there and I always clipped it). That puts you at the tree and you can move right to the original crack or do an easy 5.5 layback pitch to the top. You can do 5 or 6 raps one should be a half rope length to make for better pulling (it should be obvious when you come to a short anchor). I have also done the walk off but it is also a long descent so I would do the raps.
From: San Diego, CA
Sep 6, 2007
rating: 5.8 PG13
Great route. Do not waste your time with the #5. I had a #4 and #5 C4 and the #4 actually placed better than the #5. You will have to run out the last 25' or so of the lieback pitch which is not too bad. Even a #5 is too small to protect this and placing gear on this section would be difficlt.
|By Shaun Purvis|
Oct 15, 2007
Very beautiful, but certainly challenging for the grade (my second would agree). Highly recommend a 60m so the first pitch can be climbed to the roof, cutting it any shorter just wouldn't do it justice. Don't be tempted to combine pitches 2 & 3, you'll loose all communication (verbal or rope) with your belayer. Also, I think ending pitch 2 at the start of the chasm, as opposed to in the alcove, would avoid rope drag for the next pitch and make for a more comfortable belay. The layback pitch (#4) would probably be easiest if you double-up on finger sized cams and leave the big cams at home (the O-W section is too big for cams and totally safe to run-out). Bolted pitch is an awesome mind exercise! Pitch 1 gets afternoon sun while pitch 4 remains mostly shaded. GEAR NOTES: The biggest cam I used was a 64-100 mm (~#4 camalot).
|By Jeff Buhl|
Apr 28, 2008
I have done this route several times and agree that it is absolutely stellar. From a historical perspective the slab pitch originally did have three 1/4" bolts for protection (it was quite a ways from the third bolt to the top of pitch) but I recall that the last time I climbed it the pitch had been re-bolted with modern bolts and a 4th bolt was added to the climb. I think the fourth bolt makes it a safer and more enjoyable climb.
You can also access some of the other Needles climbs from this route to make for a long fun day.
|By Jonathan Howland|
Jun 27, 2008
Did WP for the second time on 6/21/08 with JP Webb and Matt Hern and was impressed with how very good and varied the climbing is -- each pitch distinctive and worthy.
Two details: on P2, after the .8+ move out of the belay and some upward traversing under a roof/corner, one gets to the "alcove." Do belay here. Running P2 and P3 together only risks a stuck rope in the obvious pinch at the bottom of said alcove. Also, it's impossible to hear your partner(s) once you're on the next big ledge (above the cavern).
P3: face climbing to the right of the chimney/cavern (on the slab) is easy and pleasant. The bottom third can be protected in two horiz. cracks. The upper 40 feet is run-out but, again, easy 5th class. Step across the cavern/ditch at the top, where an oak branch rests on the slab.
From: Oakland Park, Florida
Sep 2, 2008
We approached from the bottom. It's helpful to know a large pine tree marks the start. Do not leave your stuff at the base of the climb, it's a hassle to get back to the start. Seirra classic. This climb is every bit as good as it's reputation. Climbing of all flavors, hand crack, overhang, chimmney, layback, slab it's all there.
|By The Gray Tradster|
Nov 2, 2008
The original first pitch climbs the obvious splitter hand crack in the center of the alcove to a sling belay at its end, not the easier crack/dihedral to the right. The second pitch starts with some bold but relatively easy face moves right off the belay.
This is one climb/formation where you want to leave nothing at the base.
To descend go all the way to the top and then look for rap slings on the north side. Do a short rap or continue west to a broken area where a 40-60ft 3rd class scramble puts you down on the north side. Follow the use trail back directly to the road.
The bolted face pitch originally had only two bolts. With a 50m rope simulclimbing was mandatory.
I've been told by someone that knows, that the crack to the right was the original line and Vernon got it wrong.
|By Brad Young|
May 11, 2009
rating: 5.9 PG13
A revised description based on that in the main text (pitch lengths are approximate but close):
Pitch 1 (200 feet, 5.8)
A beautiful, knobby crack slowly tapers before leading to a belay in an alcove (stretch a 60 meter rope - climbers with a shorter rope will need to establish a belay from gear before the crack tapers to nothing).
Pitch 2 (50 feet, 5.8)
Climb delicate face holds out the left wall of the alcove (the crux of the pitch). Climb a slab alongside a thin crack. Move up and right on slab. Belay in a cave-like alcove above.
Pitch 3 (150 feet, 5.7)
Exit the cave to the right. A few slab moves lead to a large chasm/chimney. Walk into this to it's far end. Chimney up 20 feet and then scramble to a spacious ledge beneath the famous dihedral.
Pitch 4 (165 feet, 5.9)
An excellent and sustained pitch. Stem, jam and lieback a long, left-facing corner. The finger crack in the corner takes small nuts and cams (to one and one half inches). The difficulty eases at an edge. Above, the crack widens into a gaping offwidth. Place a 4 - 5" piece and then do a short undercling out left (5.8). From there, continuous 5.6 liebacking (no pro) leads to a small belay ledge. Save some small gear for the belay.
Pitch 5 (165 feet, 5.8)
From the right side of the ledge, runout, diagonaling slab leads past 4 bolts to a ledge. The runouts are not horrendous (5.8 sections are close to the bolts).
Pitch 6 (165 feet, 5.8)
Climb a beautiful, splitter finger crack which starts 20 feet left of where pitch 5 ends. This leads to the top.
For those lucky enough to own the Needles guidebook, the topo in that book is an approximation only. The photo shows the route perfectly.
|By Joe Dawson|
Jun 22, 2009
Can anyone comment on how far apart the bolts on the 5th pitch are? How hard is the climbing between the bolts?
|By Jon Hanlon|
Jun 26, 2009
rating: 5.9 PG13
I can comment on that pitch since I just did it last weekend.
The answer is FAR. I would say roughly 35 feet apart. The harder sections are in the vicinity of the bolts (5.8 moves within 0-15 feet of bolts), but there is real climbing on the whole pitch. The bulk of the climbing is probably 5.6-5.7. Everything is there, you just have to be calm and patient and look around...the easiest path is quite circuitous. As Brad says, the runouts aren't horrendous, but it takes focus and I definitely had to concentrate to keep the lid on it.
It is a very satisfying pitch!
From: Salt Lake City, UT
Jul 1, 2009
rating: 5.9 PG13
My partner and I felt the crux of the route (the steep exit off the slab on pitch 2) was 5.9, but the layback dihedral on pitch 4--although enduro in my opinion--did not have a single move of 5.9 on it.
You might be happy to have a #4 on pitch 1. I sure wish I had taken it with me instead of leaving it with my partner at the bottom. Take doubles of 2 and 3 and do not place any of them early on if possible; the middle of the pitch becomes and stays wide for a quite some distance. I had 60' feet of no pro here because I only had one gold and one blue cam left when I hit it and was leapfrogging them as I went.
Unfortunately, I can give no useful approach beta. It is, as posted elsewhere, totally dumbfounding. Probably a good idea to allow 90 minutes for approach unless you are familiar with the area.
Rack up at your car and carry only the kind of pack you would want to have on the route with you (as others have stated). Coming back for anything at the bottom could add 2 hours and many bushwhacks and ant bites to your day (depending on how you descend, I suppose). We walked off the entire thing, so it is possible to avoid rapping. Whether this is the 'best' way, I don't know--it's true the walk-off is long. There are some cairns to mark this descent as you head northish at the top; then proceeding with the best routefinding you can muster will get you off this way.
Do not climb directly bolt-to-bolt on pitch 5; yes, it is circuitous and involves some traversing at times off the bolts to avoid harder ground. I did get in one 0.75 Cam between chicken plates before the first bolt, but it was mostly a mental piece. Once to the last bolt, traverse directly right and then angle up and right to reach the top; I only state this beta because it is really not obvious at this particular place.
Here is a printable topo of White Punks from Clint Cummins' Needles Mini Guide
|By Kurt Burt|
Jul 23, 2009
fantastic route, seems so improbable, I looked at the first pitch and thought wow, gonna get sand bagged on this one, but it was all there. We took a double rack to 3 camolot which was way over kill, the big piece for the money pitch I didn't see the point. I got a #3 when you start to commit a big piece might give you and extra 5 feet of comfort? Just go for it and don't drag that big lug up there! 4 bolt face seemed a little easy for 5.8 but it is runout just search for the holds they are there. The last pitch (please take the thin crack for gods sake) was great also, just wish it stayed like that for days and days. Great finish to my first ever Needles adventure can't wait to go back.
|By Matthew Fienup|
From: Ventura, CA
Jul 25, 2009
I like the big piece because it can be placed out left, where the short undercling turns to the runout layback. This big piece out left will keep you from swinging back into the dihedral if you come off of the layback section.
From: San Diego
Aug 21, 2009
rating: 5.9- PG13
Fantastic climb. We got off route on the first pitch on a crack about 20' left of the route. Instead of bailing, which it appears a couple other teams did previously, we set up a belay station about 10' below where the off-route crack ends and did a traverse 5.7/5.8 back on-route for the 2nd pitch. Using a 60m rope, we didn't have any trouble reaching the second belay station.
|By jediah porter|
Sep 9, 2009
We climbed WPOD 9/8/2009. We got kinda schooled on the approach and descent- bugs, heat, brush, dust, pine needles. I was hoping to read here that we missed some secret info. We did miss the first part of the lower trail on approach, but it hardly mattered. Anyway, it was a grand adventure for sure. We descended the east side of the dome and found a full 60 m rope tangled along the base of the wall. It's faded, but looks to have been abandoned/lost relatively new. (ie not fuzzed or worn) We carried it out, in any case.
|By Ken H|
From: Granite, UT
Jan 22, 2010
Great route. I did it back sometime around 2005.
Thought I'd comment quick about the runout lieback. I had no idea it was coming and was carrying nothing that big not even a #4, thus my last piece was the piton in the corner. Midway into the runout my rope caught on a little granite finger and I took a little slip down climbing/shaking it free. Would have really liked to had a big piece as Matt describes placed at that moment.
|By Tim McCabe|
Jul 19, 2011
rating: 5.8+ PG13
There is no need to carry your stuff up the route. As I recall it was pretty straight forward to get back to the start. From the summit rap down to the tree at the top of pitch 5. It's been a while since I was there but I do remember good bolt anchors all the way straight down. At some point we always did one of them as a half rope. Just don't skip any anchors the one short one is there for a reason. You'll come out above and east of the start.
|By Mary Moser|
Aug 17, 2011
I had the honor of swinging leads on this route back in 2003 and it was spectacular. My partner got the 5th runout slab pitch and I'm glad it worked out that way because she was WAY more confident in that type of arena than I was. I was fortunate to lead pitches 2, 4 and 6. Pitch 4 and that lovely dihedral was the best part. We did find it challenging to locate the start of the climb and dealt with the usual yellow deer flies, etc. However, it was truly one of the best climbs I've ever done and well worth the hike in.
|By Chris Owen|
From: La Crescenta and Big Bear Lake
Sep 16, 2011
Did this route back in the mid 90's with Tone Tenn, Burnsy and Steve Kahan. It still sticks in my memory as a great and varied climb. We approached it from the Needles Campsite.
From: San Francisco
Nov 28, 2011
rating: 5.9 PG13
Just did it yesterday. South Approach is not easy. But after a few days it started to make some sense. The 5th pitch run-outs are indeed horrendous! 35-40 feet between some bolts and traversing. After the 2nd bolt at least the fall would be clean, but this was a delicate and stressful lead and therefore very satisfying in the end. Awesome, awesome climb!
From: Bloomington, IN
Dec 1, 2011
rating: 5.9- R
This awesome climb can be rapped on 2x60. 4 long and 2 short raps using brown, double-bolt anchors get you down in 20-30 min. Money pitch is easy but run-out. Enjoy!
|By Mitch M|
Jun 27, 2012
Did this a couple weeks ago, it was definitely an epic. We arrived a day early to dial the approach which helped avoid any speed bumps the day of the climb. The first pitch was straight forward and a rope stretcher but a 60 does reach the alcove.
We didn't encounter any problems until the slab, which was mellow through the first 3 bolts. After the 3rd bolt we attempted to go straight up to the ledge which definitely seemed much more difficult than 5.8 slab. I proceeded to slip 15 feet above the 3rd bolt and cheesegrate for about 30 feet. After getting up, we saw the anchor 25 feet to our right--were you supposed to traverse right after the 3rd bolt to a 4th and then up to the anchors?
The dihedral was physical and fun, I felt the hardest part was the beginning where the right side bulges outward somewhat making it a little more difficult to stay in the crack as well as lieback.
From: So Cal
Jul 22, 2012
rating: 5.9 PG13
Approach: when you reach a fork at a boulder you think is near the base of the climb, go right.
Pitch 4: I found a Black Diamond C4 #5 useful, huge mental piece. Anchor - I used a Metolius Master Cam #2 (yellow), Metolius Master Cam #1 (blue), and a Black Diamond Stopper #6.
Pitch 5: 4 bolts like everyone says, each is somewhere between 1 & 2 o' clock from the last one, 4th one is hard to spot; climb ends at two bolts for the anchor.
|By Brian Prince|
From: morro bay, ca
Feb 11, 2013
Just to put it out there because I haven't seen mention of it, one can walk off (after rapping from the summit or not) the other way. That is, the gully between the Warlock and Voodoo dome. This involves some tricky trail finding to not get cliffed out as you make your way back to the base of the route (yes, this leads back to the base of the route) but it 's not bad. Just hug Voodoo dome when you get near the bottom of the gully. There are some cairns.
I've done both ways and this is definitely faster.
The approach is tricky because you're down in the trees and can't see the dome (where you're going) but just go up.
And I don't know where one would ever find a better 5.8 (or 5.9) pitch than the corner on this route. It has a slight curve to it so you can't see the whole thing from below. It just keeps going. It's seriously an extraordinary feature. Amazing and, really, just beautiful.