Harness broke during fall

Andrew Rice wrote:

My stoppers are Wild Country. 

If your nuts have some "experience", maybe check out Wild Country's Product Recall page (Superlights 2023 and regular nuts 2013).

Patrik wrote:

If your nuts have some "experience", maybe check out Wild Country's Product Recall page (Superlights 2023 and regular nuts 2013).

Actually, I mistyped. Most of my stoppers are DMM (I like the offsets). But thanks for your concern. 

grug g wrote:

Looks like Greg D doesn't hate BD too much   I see BD cams and slings in his pics................

This is probably just his political outrage finding a place to manifest.

Good one.  Although a bit creepy you took the time to poke around to dig something up.  You forgot to mention that was 14 years ago when I did have a bunch of bd gear. You could creep a little more to find my post “bd cams for sale”.

I do wish I still had my "Helga the Beer Garden Girl” outfit.

Flame on. 

Andrew Rice wrote:

There you go, buddy! Finally you get it. I also am not a huge BD gear fan. My cams are Totems (except in the big sizes where BD is pretty unavoidable). My harnesses are arcteryx. My stoppers are Wild Country DMM. My ropes are Sterling and Mammut. But I don't have to go around criticizing BD when they actually do the right thing. 

My politics are perfect, my spirit is avant-garde, and my phenomenology is spiritual. 

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I checked mine (see the pics), and I can see the left side of the part where the 2 black fabrics meet (glued/laminated) to be weaken significantly. I can feel that the inner fabric of the cracked/lined part to be very soft and easily bent. I've had this harness for like 5 years or so (I bought it when it first came out if I remember correctly), but I only used it only for alpine climbing (Patagonia, Tetons etc.) It was never used in trad climbing in places like Red Rock Canyon. Maybe I wore it total of 50 pitches (no hard falls) and 30 rappels. 

Well, I'm sending it back to BD per its recall. The return process is very simple and quick so far. I think I'll get the $175 refund instead of $200 BD credit and will buy a new Pitzel Whisper for alpine climbing use.

Btw, the right side seems fine... the questionable part is still hard/rigid and shows no signs of weakness. Well, I'm glad I found out about this recall. :)

I swear by Metolius SafeTech. It's visibly beefy. An old dead Index climbing friend named Larry Kemp advised me to tie my chalkbag on with one inch webbing and a water knot. I tie into both the harness and the  chalkbag sling. It's a back up harness and I always have a sling to rap on a tree.

Hi y’all, I was reading through hoping to understand this incident, and ended up feeling like I was in a locker room due to “my pussy is tight” comments. Can those of you who made and commented on them please delete and think through what that phrase means and how it contributes to MP still not feeling like a welcome place for women? Thanks. 

vwall wrote:

Hi y’all, I was reading through hoping to understand this incident, and ended up feeling like I was in a locker room due to “my pussy is tight” comments. Can those of you who made and commented on them please delete and think through what that phrase means and how it contributes to MP still not feeling like a welcome place for women? Thanks. 

sure, I edited my post. was trying to poke fun at Andrew's grandstanding list of superlative possessions and got carried away, changed it to something even more ridiculous and less personal to anyone.

David (OP), could you edit the original post to steer readers towards the bottom of page 6 for the most sought-after conclusion ?

Or lock the thread since there was a (presumably) happy conclusion.

Jeremy L wrote:

Or lock the thread since there was a (presumably) happy conclusion.

Definitely. We want to control conversation as tightly as possible, which is, of course, the whole point of a public forum.

Say what you want, provided you agree with me.

Or, just a wild thought, stay with me here, we can choose to be adults who can entertain ideas that we may find disagreeable, even offensive, and not feel obligated or threatened to espouse them as our own.

In historical times, we would have called this critical thinking.

I dunno J W, when I made a not-very-funny, obtuse potty joke, I didn't have a lot of "ideas" I was "entertaining." it was more like "hur hur, pee pee funny, hit post." someone said it was disagreeable, and in retrospect they're probably right.

I generally agree with you that if someone genuinely holds an idea that I find disagreeable, offensive, or even dangerous, I want to make sure they have every chance to espouse that idea, so that they can be argued against, and so that I know exactly who they are.

my comment was not that, and not even very funny, and it's probably out of place in the "injuries and accidents" forum to boot. critical thinking is also knowing when the hill you're dying on is a dung pile. 

Did we ever actually get a satisfactory answer on what was special about the construction of this harness that allowed it to fail in a situation where other harnesses likely wouldn't? Or is my premise wrong?

George M wrote:

I dunno J W, when I made a not-very-funny, obtuse potty joke, I didn't have a lot of "ideas" I was "entertaining." it was more like "hur hur, pee pee funny, hit post." someone said it was disagreeable, and in retrospect they're probably right.

I generally agree with you that if someone genuinely holds an idea that I find disagreeable, offensive, or even dangerous, I want to make sure they have every chance to espouse that idea, so that they can be argued against, and so that I know exactly who they are.

my comment was not that, and not even very funny, and it's probably out of place in the "injuries and accidents" forum to boot. critical thinking is also knowing when the hill you're dying on is a dung pile. 

Perhaps, but your thoughtful follow up is exhibit A for why knee jerk silencing is shortsighted and ultimately unproductive.

A locked thread (let it not go unnoticed how often it’s the sideline rescuer who calls for such things) three or four posts ago is the poorer alternative.

Grant each of us the space to make fools of ourselves, but grant us also the grace to make it right.

J W wrote:

Perhaps, but your thoughtful follow up is exhibit A for why knee jerk silencing is shortsighted and ultimately unproductive.

A locked thread (let it not go unnoticed how often it’s the sideline rescuer who calls for such things) three or four posts ago is the poorer alternative.

Grant each of us the space to make fools of ourselves, but grant us also the grace to make it right.

^^^This.

I would greatly prefer a rock climbing world where we are free to make fools of ourselves and be thought misogynistic or homophobic etc in our posts and route names. Truly.

Then the community can judge us by whether WE OURSELVES make it right or choose to wear black hats rather than simply censorship "woke-washing" of issues that remain a part of our society and need to be acknowledged so that they can be worked on. Not denied or pretended they don't still exist.

Some friends of mine put up a route with an incredibly offensive name but they were referencing THEMSELVES and who the self-styled locals thought they were and how they treated them.

They did it to rub the noses of the "locals" in their own words and actions and not let them escape their own homophobia and the slurs they threw at others. But now its censored here.

It sometimes is more complicated, like we are. But censorship denies that.

Flame on.

Ellen S wrote:

Did we ever actually get a satisfactory answer on what was special about the construction of this harness that allowed it to fail in a situation where other harnesses likely wouldn't? Or is my premise wrong?

Kind of, by page 7.

Officially there is a recall and BD is still looking into it: https://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en_US/content/2025-vision-harness-recall/

Otherwise, it’s a 5-year old harness with a 2-year warranty, highly sun-faded and made of Vectran, a UV-sensitive material.

J W wrote:

Definitely. We want to control conversation as tightly as possible, which is, of course, the whole point of a public forum.

Say what you want, provided you agree with me.

Or, just a wild thought, stay with me here, we can choose to be adults who can entertain ideas that we may find disagreeable, even offensive, and not feel obligated or threatened to espouse them as our own.

In historical times, we would have called this critical thinking.

Oh FFS. This is a post in the "injuries & accidents" forum. Recall & refund was issued. Somehow, thread drift always seems to happen & now it's a "free speech" issue. (I happen to agree that i should be able to think & say what i want, however stupid it may make me look, & to not get canceled for doing it)

If you wanna talk about free speech, take it to the politics forum. Mahalo.

Jeremy L wrote:

Oh FFS. This is a post in the "injuries & accidents" forum. Recall & refund was issued. Somehow, thread drift always seems to happen & now it's a "free speech" issue. (I happen to agree that i should be able to think & say what i want, however stupid it may make me look, & to not get canceled for doing it)

If you wanna talk about free speech, take it to the politics forum. Mahalo.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I would like to point out that the politics forum is the shadow ban of MP. It doesn't show up in the "posts from all forums" and is where discussion goes to die. 

George M wrote:

I generally agree with you that if someone genuinely holds an idea that I find disagreeable, I want to make sure they have every chance to espouse that idea, so that they can be argued against, and so that I know exactly who they are.

Thought police detected ^^^

Align or get cancelled.