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Defunct Climbing Terminology

Bale · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2011 · Points: 0
Kevin Mokracekwrote:

My Black Diamond Big Gun still requires a double back on the buckle so it’s not a totally obsolete term. 

I still have a couple harnesses like that as well, it was just funny that she would say, “double-backed”, instead of “doubled-back”. 

Paul Morrison · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 55
Balewrote:

I still have a couple harnesses like that as well, it was just funny that she would say, “double-backed”, instead of “doubled-back”. 

Nothing odd about that, if you've read Othello.

Hank Hudley · · Georgia · Joined Feb 2022 · Points: 0
slimwrote:

i think "flash" may be dying a sad death.  the other day i watched someone send a route after working it all day.  his girlfriend praised him for a "flash in a day".  i don't think she understood this word "flash".  or perhaps i don't?

I think she may just be uninformed. 

Hank Hudley · · Georgia · Joined Feb 2022 · Points: 0
slimwrote:

oh here's one!  (not sure how this one got missed so far...) "dirtbag" or "dirtbagging".  hmmm driving to a campsite and sleeping in a tent isn't really "dirtbagging".  wearing a pair of $150 pants and a bunch of other matching stuff probably doesn't make you a dirtbag. if you have a credit card, you are not a dirtbag.

I'm 16, I don't have a credit card, I bum rides to the crag, am I a dirtbag?

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276
Hank Hudleywrote:

I'm 16, I don't have a credit card, I bum rides to the crag, am I a dirtbag?

You are a minor dirtbag. At 18, you can aspire to be a major dirtbag.

slim · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2004 · Points: 1,093

do you live with your parents?

JCM · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2008 · Points: 115
Hank Hudleywrote:

I'm 16, I don't have a credit card, I bum rides to the crag, am I a dirtbag?

I think that's just called a teenager.

You can be a "Teenage Dirtbag", of course. Someone made a famous song about that...before you were born.

Serge S · · Seattle, WA · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 683
Bryan Kwrote:

People getting to the top of a sport climb and saying "off belay" when they are intending to lower from the anchor afterwards.  Saw this happen one time (luckily no one got hurt) and talked to the group after they got down.  Told them "off belay" has a specific meaning that the belayer takes you off belay fully and they could have gotten in to an accident.  They just shrugged it off and said "we know what we mean between the two of us when we say it, so it's all good."

I've seen this too.  I wonder if standardizing commands across generations is a lost cause because the younger generation feels it fundamentally uncool to be consistent with the older generation.

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Serge Swrote:

I've seen this too.  I wonder if standardizing commands across generations is a lost cause because the younger generation feels it fundamentally uncool to be consistent with the older generation.

"Yeah, but you know what I meant!" - one of the most infuriating Gen-Z phrases ever.

Jon Nelson · · Redmond, WA · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 8,696

Seems like the term "gaston" has changed. 

I recall it being a technique that looked like one was trying to pull the crack apart. It came, I thought from a picture of Gaston Rebuffat ascending a wide crack with the method. One had to get solid foot jams for the method to work. From what I've seen, the new term seems to refer to a similar looking method, though on sideways face holds.

highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 35
Eric Engbergwrote:

Climbers may have appropriated ""send" from elsewhere. 

At least 25 years ago.

I don’t know where it came from but I don’t know if I believe it’s a shortened version of “ascend”.

Drederek · · Olympia, WA · Joined Mar 2004 · Points: 315
Jon Nelsonwrote:

Seems like the term "gaston" has changed. 

I recall it being a technique that looked like one was trying to pull the crack apart. It came, I thought from a picture of Gaston Rebuffat ascending a wide crack with the method. One had to get solid foot jams for the method to work. From what I've seen, the new term seems to refer to a similar looking method, though on sideways face holds.

Never heard it described as a crack technique before, makes sense though. What else would you call a Gaston move? A backhand? A layback behind you?

Jon Nelson · · Redmond, WA · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 8,696

About gaston, I thought we used to call them "sidepulls".  Does anybody else still use the term? Having two opposing sidepulls that you "pull apart" with both hands is what I first though the new "gaston" meant, but it seems like it is also used to mean just one sidepull. As you can see, I'm a little confused about the new gaston...

Austin Donisan · · San Mateo, CA · Joined May 2014 · Points: 713
Jon Nelsonwrote:

About gaston, I thought we used to call them "sidepulls".  Does anybody else still use the term? Having two opposing sidepulls that you "pull apart" with both hands is what I first though the new "gaston" meant, but it seems like it is also used to mean just one sidepull. As you can see, I'm a little confused about the new gaston...

In modern terms if a hold faces right and you're using it with your right hand it's a sidepull. If it faces left it's a gaston. The "pull apart" motion is a "double gaston," where both hands are in a gaston.

"Gaston" formerly meaning "double gaston" is totally believable and it would be cool to see some sources that used it that way.

Andre Sarrazin · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2022 · Points: 0
Jon Nelsonwrote:

Seems like the term "gaston" has changed. 

I recall it being a technique that looked like one was trying to pull the crack apart. It came, I thought from a picture of Gaston Rebuffat ascending a wide crack with the method. One had to get solid foot jams for the method to work. From what I've seen, the new term seems to refer to a similar looking method, though on sideways face holds.

As almost a soul gym climber with one shitty crack in our gym, we have plenty of Gaston moves on holds that are not on crack. It’s the same hand move, I think it just got translated to other areas of climbing

Andre Sarrazin · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2022 · Points: 0
Jon Nelsonwrote:

About gaston, I thought we used to call them "sidepulls".  Does anybody else still use the term? Having two opposing sidepulls that you "pull apart" with both hands is what I first though the new "gaston" meant, but it seems like it is also used to mean just one sidepull. As you can see, I'm a little confused about the new gaston...

Side pull means to pull inwards and Gaston is to pull apart

Alan Rubin · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 10
Andre Sarrazinwrote:

Side pull means to pull inwards and Gaston is to pull apart

As normally used, Gaston has meant more to push or pull outwards on a roughly vertical hold. As said above, while the name did derive from a picture of Gaston Rebuffat climbing a crack using both hands that way, it normally has been used to describe any hold used in this manner. Though I’m not 100% certain, I believe that the term was coined by Jack Mileski and crew at the Gunks in the ‘80s as part of the original climbing ‘beta’ while they group sieged the hard projects of the day there.

Hank Hudley · · Georgia · Joined Feb 2022 · Points: 0
FrankPSwrote:

You are a minor dirtbag. At 18, you can aspire to be a major dirtbag.

I don't know... college seems somewhat appealing. 

F r i t z · · North Mitten · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 1,185


The term "gaston" was actually named after the strongest boulderer in France in the 1800's. Legend has it that his training plan included bench-pressing buxom barmaids and consuming five dozen eggs per day.

Supposedly last year's Reel Rock was going to feature the clip below, a historical reenactment of his warmup routine.

However, after spending over $69,000 in member dues to conduct a Microaggression Impact Study, the Access Fund deemed that clip contributed to a culture of toxic masculinity and threatened to pull funding from Reel Rock if it were included.

Gaston's many FA's in the Font -- which include Expectoration Station V10+, Biceps to Spare V11, and Intimidating Specimen V13 -- have been redacted and are sadly lost in the annals of climbing history.


Aaron K · · Western Slope CO · Joined Jun 2022 · Points: 326

I read somewhere that the French call a gaston "une epaule," a shoulder

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