Backing up your Figure 8 Follow Through tie-in

Was hoping to create a poll but I don't see that option on the MP forums?

Do you think a “backup” knot above a property tied Figure 8 Follow Through is necessary when this knot is used for your tie-in?

No knot necessary

nice effort on the troll

Nope

Ropes aren't necessary unless you fall so clearly a backup knot isn't necessary.

Not necessary.

Never.  Full strength knot.  

Agreed it's unnecesary, I'm curious why so many climbing gyms make it a point to require one...  
I've always heard the blame put onto the insurances that cover them. Is anyone able to shed light on this subject from a climbing gyms perspective?

No backup knot necessary.
Watch any of the AMGA instructional videos to see that the AMGA doesn't promote the use of a backup knot with the Trace 8 or Figure 8 Follow Through.

Dakota R wrote: Agreed it's unnecesary, I'm curious why so many climbing gyms make it a point to require one...  
I've always heard the blame put onto the insurances that cover them. Is anyone able to shed light on this subject from a climbing gyms perspective?

makes it easier for gym staff to spot and inspect an improperly tied knot from farther away

Yes!  It always make me (feel) better!

Gregger Man wrote:
Tie in with the Sooooper 8©

Not required if you have a thumbs'up for safety (i.e. sufficient tail).

Not necessary for safety, but convenient to keep long tails out of the way.

Not needed. Most gyms, most people know this now.

Not needed but having enough to tie a backup is a sigh you have more than enough tail. 

The IFSC also requires a figure 8 + "stopper knot" for competitions, which seems a bit strange.

Nope.  I tuck the tail down through the knot too.  No accidentally clipping a long tail!

Brian in SLC wrote: Nope.  I tuck the tail down through the knot too.  No accidentally clipping a long tail!

Seems many tuck the tail improperly though... to maintain full strength you must wrap around the rope and tuck into the lower half of the knot. Despite MP readers seeming to be in the know I'm surprised at how many outdoor climbers still back their knots up... probably been spending to much time at Rumney this summer ;)

A vestige of the days of thicker and stiffer ropes which could be prone to becoming untied. With today's thinner, more supple ropes it is unnecessary. 

Northeast Alpine Start wrote:

Despite MP readers seeming to be in the know I'm surprised at how many outdoor climbers still back their knots up... probably been spending to much time at Rumney this summer ;)

And you see this as a problem??