Backing up your Figure 8 Follow Through tie-in
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Was hoping to create a poll but I don't see that option on the MP forums? |
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No knot necessary |
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Nope |
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Ropes aren't necessary unless you fall so clearly a backup knot isn't necessary. |
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Not necessary. |
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Never. Full strength knot. |
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Agreed it's unnecesary, I'm curious why so many climbing gyms make it a point to require one... |
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No backup knot necessary. |
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Dakota R wrote: Agreed it's unnecesary, I'm curious why so many climbing gyms make it a point to require one... makes it easier for gym staff to spot and inspect an improperly tied knot from farther away ensures beginners have pulled enough tail thru their fig.8 for it to be safe |
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Yes! It always make me (feel) better! |
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Gregger Man wrote:Thank God someone blurred that out. No one thinks of the children these days .... |
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Not required if you have a thumbs'up for safety (i.e. sufficient tail). |
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Not necessary for safety, but convenient to keep long tails out of the way. |
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Not needed. Most gyms, most people know this now. |
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Not needed but having enough to tie a backup is a sigh you have more than enough tail. |
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The IFSC also requires a figure 8 + "stopper knot" for competitions, which seems a bit strange. |
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Nope. I tuck the tail down through the knot too. No accidentally clipping a long tail! |
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Brian in SLC wrote: Nope. I tuck the tail down through the knot too. No accidentally clipping a long tail! Seems many tuck the tail improperly though... to maintain full strength you must wrap around the rope and tuck into the lower half of the knot. Despite MP readers seeming to be in the know I'm surprised at how many outdoor climbers still back their knots up... probably been spending to much time at Rumney this summer ;) Anyways blogged about it here and included video of the correct way to tie the "Yosemite Finish"https://northeastalpinestart.com/2018/08/09/do-you-need-to-back-up-your-tie-in-knot/ |
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A vestige of the days of thicker and stiffer ropes which could be prone to becoming untied. With today's thinner, more supple ropes it is unnecessary. |
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Northeast Alpine Start wrote: And you see this as a problem?? |