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Near Miss on Cathedral Peak
Hamish Malin wrote: Can you give evidence of one closure or increased regulation caused by a soloist death? |
vincent L. wrote: Nope, but I would argue that climbing accidents (death or otherwise) in general certainly hurt rather than help access - its common sense. You disagree? |
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I'm still cracking up about him biting the rope...solid! |
Hamish Malin wrote: Perhaps in some instances. And I wouldn't blame any land manager for panicking after watching some of this guy's videos. But nobody is going to close Cathedral Peak if someone were to die climbing it. |
Hamish Malin wrote: False. Do you know how many things would be illegal in this country if that were true. Bikes, motorcycles, skiing, cigarettes, soda, sky diving, scuba, on and on. Climbing is more likely to become illegal if we get a single payer health care system where a bureaucrat gets to decide what's good for you and what's not. But not from the occasional climbing death which has been happening for decades. But, thumbs up for the selfish thought.. |
Air Alexy wrote: How would you feel about a mandatory permit, which requires a climbing resume, medical clearance, watching a 20 minute instructional video on climbing safety, rack inspection, and pack inspection to check that you have all the required mandatory gear? |
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When is someone going to photoshop Honnold in the Monster OW trailing bright orange webbing and a pack sporting gardening gloves? |
Marc801 C wrote: Great question. I'm just kidding. That's a stupid question. Why would you ask it? |
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I wouldn't be surprised if a permit system were instituted for cathedral peak, due to crowding/environmental degradation concerns. The stream of people on this climb dying/hurting themselves/getting stuck in thunderstorms are all considerations that would push towards permitting occurring. |
Addem Bursh wrote: Thank you. Loved this. I can't stop imagining some half wit soloist looking up at me as I try to help him and the rope in his teeth. Legend! |
Air Alexy wrote: Well, you wrote:
I agree, but that doesn't mean that regulations wouldn't or couldn't be put in place. Other than the climbing safety video, some parts of the other regs I mentioned were once in effect at Devil's Tower (gear inspection) or Baxter State Park (mandatory gear, medical release, climbing resume). Thus while closure is the most negative outcome of this assclown dieing and unlikely, it doesn't necessarily mean no effect. Consider that there are already hard usage limits at a lot of areas in our national parks. |
Marc801 C wrote: I just meant that, obviously, of course I do not favor those kinds of regulations. But their likelihood is incredibly small. I can't think of anything similar in the Sierras. The regulations you mention are no longer in effect at Devil's Tower or Baxter, if I'm not mistaken. If anything, permitting will happen because of the explosion in popularity of climbing, and because we have too many idiots in the hills. Not because this guy dies and we have one fewer. |
Jim Turner wrote: Proud owner of the hiss... don't fuck with me or my partner's safety... |
Addem Bursh wrote: A "try" at Cathedral Peak? Is he a red point free soloist? You don't give the free solo a "try." |
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When you are trained as a first responder the first thing you do after making several scene/partner/victim assessments is to introduce yourself as a trained first responder and ask the victim if you can help them - if they say no; you're done. They can bleed out right in front of you and you can't lift a finger. In situations where someone soloing looks like they're in over their head, or gripped, you can ask them the same thing (if it doesn't endanger your life, or the lives of others) if they say no - that's it. I had a situation on El Cap East Buttress where a soloist cruised past me then started to look really iffy on the steep exposed section above, he was trailing a rope - I asked him if he wanted me to put him on belay, he said no. He figured it out and got through it. But the thought of watching him fall was not appealing - it would have had a serious affect upon me. |
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Why do people keep referring to this clown as a free soloist when he has to rely on others to either summit or bail him out? Doesn't sound like soloing to me. More like leeching. |
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Air Alexy wrote: It's small until it directly affects you. Gunks: Skytop closed for over 20 years - now climbable again, but only with a guide from one specific guiding company, and for a time required a stay at the MMH at $350/night Multi year closure of a section of the Near Trapps that is on private property City of Rocks: Twin Sisters closure due to being a historic viewshed for the California Trail 1/3 of Elephant Rock and 8 other formations closed - private pasture land When first established, the new Castle Rocks state park allowed route development by specific climbers in a zone by zone approach; bolting reviewed by committee Cave Rock CA: All routes erased and bolts removed - native american religious litigation Eldo and Red Rock NCA: Fixed gear requires approval from committee Not climbing at all - Black Bear Pass road above Telluride. The local sheriff called for permanent closure in 2015 after yet another death on the road. Yes, a variety of examples for a variety of reasons, none of which have anything to do with someone dieing. But it does illustrate that regulations can happen at any time for any reason. One or more deaths could merely be another of those reasons that creates onerous regulations or closure. |
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Air Alexy wrote: Honestly my first gut reaction was "Why the hell didn't someone give him a quick kick and send him on his way. He's obviously suicidal - better to take him out before he takes someone with him" Then the rational part of my brain said "No that's too mean." |
