Quick Field Analysis: How Much Force Does a Top Rope Fall Produce?
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Background
Earlier this week Rock and Ice published an article involving forces in a TR fall (1). They claimed they were able to reach forces as high as 7kN in their analysis. I did some testing on TR falls a few years back (2), but lieu of the article, I decided to revisit the topic once more. Equipment Measurements were taken with a 3000lbf load cell with a conditioner scanning at 520 Hz. The load cell was properly calibrated, and its accuracy was verified against three other load cells. Results Series One 160 lbs climber, 180 lbs belayer, no twists in rope at anchor - Fall 1 - 525.7 lbf / 2.33 kN - Fall 2 - 515.6 lbf / 2.29 kN - Fall 3 - 465 lbf / 2.07 kN Series Two160 lbs climber, 180 lbs belayer, two twists in rope at anchor - Fall 1 - 462.8 lbf / 2.06 kN - Fall 2 - 421.6 lbf / 1.88 kN - Fall 3 - 426.8 lbf / 1.90 kN Series Three180 lbs climber, 160 lbs belayer, no twists in rope at anchor - Fall 1 - 555.6 lbf / 2.47 kN - Fall 2 - 570.3 lbf / 2.54 kN - Fall 3 - 600.1 lbf / 2.67 kN In the spirit of trying to replicate the results R&I got, both my partner and I climbed to the top of the route, pulled out two huge handfuls of slack (about 6-7), and jumped off to simulate an inattentive belayer. The results were: 160 lbs climber, 180 lbs belayer - 766.3 lbf / 3.41 kN 180 lbs climber, 160 lbs belayer - 728.7 lbf / 3.24 kN For fun, here is a graph showing the 766.3 lbf / 3.41 mentioned immediately above: While I do not have a video of series one and two, I have a video of series three: youtu.be/f_hRE9isHx4 |
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I think if you reach 7kn your belayer was asleep... |
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were they using a tired gym rope on a much shorter route with an autolock device? |
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That's super interesting thanks for doing this! |
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Climbers are nerds, and I love it. Nice work. Seems like there might be some KN sandbagging going on at R&I. |
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Hmm...R&I device calibration issues? |
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rgold wrote:Hmm...R&I device calibration issues? Both tests had roughly the same fall factor (R&I 0.11, 20kN 0.14). The main difference was that R&I used an almost totally static belay with a 200lb climber, and 20 kN had a 160 lb climber and a 180 lb climber alternating falling and belaying. With these conditions, you would expect higher numbers from the R&I tests, but nearly double is surprising. I tried to track down the author to ask. The article says it was written by Tyler Stableford. I looked him up on Facebook. There is one Tyler Stableford on FB, he is listed as living in CO, and listed as working for R&I. However, when I asked him about it he said he did not write the article and does not work for R&I anymore, so who knows. I might try to email R&I directly and ask. It seems really unlikely anchoring the belayer down would double the impact force. On the smaller falls, I was barely even lifted off the ground. We are talking a foot, if that. Yet, even R&I's "standard" TR falls were just under double mine3.5kN on average. One thought might be that they are using an analog dyno, which I know can produce inaccurate results on dynamic loads, but that's just a guess since they dident comment on their equipment usage. |
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Worth noting that the R&I article was originally posted online in 2013. They just recycled it, which they seem to do pretty regularly... |
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Your numbers seem much more reasonable than R&I. |
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Nice study. |
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climber patwrote: Here is a link to Geir Hundel's experiments geir.com/mythbuster.html Latest archive: GEIR HUNDAL the climbing mythbusters I think you're actually citing this, though? The theoretical fall factor |
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you should try this with a static rope. That'd be an interesting comparison. |
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Petzl claims 5.5kn impact force for a FF0.3 for their semistatic 10mm. (Presumably 80Kg, but I didn’t dig into the details) 7Kn at the anchor (so around 4Kn at the climber) sounds reasonable for a top rope fall with a lot of slack on a semistatic, probably with the belay device anchored. It would be interesting to see some tests confirm that, but I hope no one’s regularly leaving a big loop of slack hanging while they’re top roping on a semistatic, because that seems like it would hurt. |
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Who climbs with a semi static rope? Maybe R&I tested with a steel cable. |
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Some gyms and lots of “high ropes course”/summer camps/etc use semistatics for top ropes. As long as there isn’t an insane amount of slack in the system it’s not a safety concern on top rope— the FF0.3 impact force petzl tested would be difficult to achieve without decking. ETA: It’s much less work to give a birthday belay with a semistatic, so if most of your clients aren’t regular climbers it makes sense, if everyone belaying is closely monitored/not a hooligan. The only scenario where impact forces exceed what you’d see in a typical lead fall would be if a belayer just straight up stopped taking in slack when the climber was two thirds of the way up and the climber jumped from the top of the wall. |
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Eli Wwrote: I have led and fallen on the Petzl semi static ropes many times. Used to avoid rope stretching falls into talus. No top rope load on one could be a problem. |
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Yeah, I’m not signing up to test it, but my assumption is that even on lead, the belayer getting yanked up into the first bolt absorbs enough energy that a semistatic probably won’t kill ya even if it breaks a couple ribs. OSHA says a peak force of 8.9Kn for 2ms is acceptable for fall arrest systems, which seems like it would be challenging, even with a semistatic, to achieve in a climbing context without belaying of an anchor. |






