Break off bouldering to separate site?

White Privilege wrote:Marek, Climbers (ice, bigwall, sport, alpine) use ropes, boulderers use crash pads. Climbers use different rating to describe different things like ice vs rock, aid vs free. Boulderers use different rating to describe the same thing, free moves on rock. Daniel, That comment was in response to the op's concern about areas being overwhelmed by large amounts of problems being added. I thought MA was a good example of that. Boissal, I think it's more an issue of cultural differences between these groups rather than some height at which everything is called climbing.

Obviously we also then need a separate site for the french, australian and british climbers who all use a different rating system to describe free moves...

Frank,

That is something I considered before I wrote that and I tried to explain the idea to avoid your response. I think it's reasonable for different countries with different languages to have different rating systems from us. I think it's weird that there was already an established system in the US and bouldering introduced a new system to rate something already covered by the YDS, difficulty of free moves on rock.

It's had a strange affect. For example a 5.12 sport climb described as a V2 with a V4 crux followed by V1 to the anchors. Hence, a lot of discussion on how the two grades compare.

White Privilege wrote:Frank, That is something I considered before I wrote that and I tried to explain the idea to avoid your response. I think it's reasonable for different countries with different languages to have different rating systems from us. I think it's weird that there was already an established system in the US and bouldering introduced a new system to rate something already covered by the YDS, difficulty of free moves on rock. It's had a strange affect. For example a 5.12 sport climb described as a V2 with a V4 crux followed by V1 to the anchors. Hence, a lot of discussion on how the two grades compare.

The pursuits have very different focuses, much like the evolution of the YDS to encompass overall difficulty, rather than simply the hardest single move on a climb. Ultimately (granted this is sort of my projection) I think most "climbers" would take offense to "boulderers" taking the 13a tick for a v7, while i'm not certain anyone would give two shakes if someone who only sport climbed claimed to boulder v7 based on the crux of a sport climb. Also, wikiboulder provides a similar resource for bouldering only, but i'm not sure why an entire separate site would be needed, especially with a filter already available to keep thine eyes unscathed by the disgrace that is boulder problems.

I'm pretty sure the people that think bouldering is neither rock climbing, or worthy of this site haven't figured out that the Yosemite Decimal System (YDS) and the Hueco "V-Scale" are on the way out. The French System is starting to take over more and more every year. There is a hell of a lot more kids coming into this sport every year than people over the age of 50 (age typical of the boulder haters) and those kids are all over sites like 8a.nu and countless blogs that all promote the French Scale. Pretty much every video & magazine coming out these days have all started to move away from the YDS and V-Scales. Therefore your argument about how boulderer's should move away from this site because they/we have our own V-Scale is pointless.

Hey man, don't yell at me. This isn't my argument that dude Brian started this shit and hasn't said anything. I never agreed to his idea just throwing some stuff out there for the sake of discussion.

I don't give a dogshit what the little sport wankers are doing on the web I'm not going to learn to speak French just to talk about bouldering. That's what happens when you get this old, you don't give a feck what people are saying.

Why can't this happen with the metric system?

jarthur wrote: The French System is starting to take over more and more every year.

Actually, a in Europe lot of people use the French rating system for face climbing and, in parallel, use YDS for crack climbs. E.g. when talking of Super Purple Crack (it's a variation of a superb route on Trident du Tacul at Mont-Blanc), people say it's 5.13 (or just 13), no 8a. Then, to add to confusion, there is Font scale which is not consistent with the regular French scale.

Anyway, I still don't get why people are so bothered by bouldering. What really bothers me is ice climbing, it's so silly with all the axes and the boots - why don't we let them have their own site, iceproject.com?

Marek Sapkovski wrote: What really bothers me is ice climbing, it's so silly with all the axes and the boots - why don't we let them have their own site, iceproject.com?

Climbing ice without all the axes and cramponed boots would be silly.

Several months ago I started re-organizing the CT area so that Bouldering would be segregated from the route climbing. Haven't heard any complaints yet... Check it out: Connecticut. In areas where there's both routes and boulders I've added the location in the route area and the bouldering area with links on the page to go between either area Bald Rock Basin.

An age old argument that reminds of the 80's when all skiers hated snowboarders. I have known climbers who won't boulder and vice-versa, but most acknowledge that one can benefit the other. Seems like the OP had issues with some of the local boulder junkies out East, as there is a bit of acid in his post. Anyone who has ever bouldered knows that alot of the "pebbles" can be very serious undertakings...particularly in the front range..Making them quite worthy of inclusion in this website. A choice could be made to use a different resource to get your climbing information.

Nice troll Brian! It really is fun to heckle those beanie wearing no shirt climbers who dont even know how much fun climbing above the tree/bush line can be. while we are at it we should exclude-
-n00bs
-top ropers
-gym climbers
-climbers who always go to the same crag
-slackliners
-basejumpers
-skiers
-mtn bikers(done!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j14fDTgIqXQ

doug rouse wrote:An age old argument that reminds of the 80's when all skiers hated snowboarders. I have known climbers who won't boulder and vice-versa, but most acknowledge that one can benefit the other. Seems like the OP had issues with some of the local boulder junkies out East, as there is a bit of acid in his post. Anyone who has ever bouldered knows that alot of the "pebbles" can be very serious undertakings...particularly in the front range..Making them quite worthy of inclusion in this website. A choice could be made to use a different resource to get your climbing information.

the front range huh?

Morgan Patterson wrote:Several months ago I started re-organizing the CT area so that Bouldering would be segregated from the route climbing. Haven't heard any complaints yet... Check it out: Connecticut. In areas where there's both routes and boulders I've added the location in the route area and the bouldering area with links on the page to go between either area Bald Rock Basin.

^^^pebble pusher^^^

separatists!

This site is great just the way it is. If the site became overrun with bouldering posts the I would say yes but I enjoy checking out info, stories, photos, videos on all the climbing disciplines in one great site. Just my opinion

The only problem with this site is the lack of information for bouldering. A lot of the areas that I visit have almost zero information regarding the location of the boulder, start of the boulder problem, what's considered on/off, etc...

A great example of a boulder and the problems is the following for Carter Lake:
mountainproject.com/v/1303971

A horrible example of a boulder and the problems is the lack of any information provided for Red Cliff:
mountainproject.com/v/v3/10…

I can't tell if people are just trying to get points for MP.com, or what. I'm probably just an idiot when it comes to directions, but I'll be damned if I can figure out which way southeast is when I'm in the middle of the forest surrounded by trees, cliffs, and boulders.

Maybe if the 60 year old plus climbers out there will stop walking around the gym locker room with your old naked a$$ "air drying" then I'll send a memo out to all the young-guns and so called "sport wankers" to stop going shirtless while wearing beanies :)

TR purist wrote:Nice troll Brian! It really is fun to heckle those beanie wearing no shirt climbers who dont even know how much fun climbing above the tree/bush line can be. while we are at it we should exclude- -n00bs -top ropers -gym climbers -climbers who always go to the same crag -slackliners -basejumpers -skiers -mtn bikers(done!) youtube.com/watch?v=j14fDTg…

It is so easy to do Mike. Just pick a type of climbing and poke fun at it and everyone goes postal. Any kind of climbing on any rock is kind of a trivial pursuit when you stop to think about it. Although I do seriously think that bouldering should be separated out somehow. Good examples are what Morgan did for bouldering in CT or like ice climbing in NH.

It's MY Island!