Climbing on Acid

You're all a bunch of dirty hippies! Go clean yourself...

Gnarly photos, never heard of the dude. Good stuff.

The Stoned Master wrote:You're all a bunch of dirty hippies! Go clean yourself... Gnarly photos, never heard of the dude. Good stuff.

Mark Henson does some pretty similar work:

APBT1976 wrote:Help a old guy out and explain what salvia is? I clearly know what sativa is but salvia is that the stupid shit Miley Cirus got caught smoking. Like is it the same thing as bath salts or something. If so what the hell are bath salts? I am so outa touch thank god;) I watched a movie yesterday and the kids got high on the regular using cleaning stuff from under the kitchen sink "nasty". Sure i did it once or twice as kid but we had real drugs to do and they where really really good. Hard to believe so much has changed since just the 90's!!! I almost feel bad for kids these days. So what is Salvia?

Salvia divinorum is a relative of the sage plant (yes, the herb). It contains salvinorin compounds, most notably salvinorin A which is a kappa-opioid receptor agonist.

Now, when most people think about opiates they think of stuff like oxycodone (percocet, oxycontin), hydrocodone (vicodin), morphine, heroin, opium, etc. These are agonists of the mu-opioid receptor which is associated with a euphoric state and pain relief. The kappa-opioid receptor is associated with dysphoria, delerium and disassociation (can I coin a term? The three D's?). This is a different mechanism of action from any other class of hallucinogens, most of which act on serotonin, dopamine, NMDA and/or norepinephrine receptors. As such, it is difficult to compare the effects of salvia to those of other drugs. Salvinorin A has a huge therapeutic index (effective dose<<<fatal dose), and it appears that you'd have to try really really hard to OD from it. It it's your thing, go for it.

"Bath salts" originally contained mephedrone, which is supposedly similar to MDMA (ecstasy), but now can contain pretty much any substisuted cathinone. There have been many MDMA analogues produced in the wake of its illegality. Most of them have more side effects and aren't as "magical", but they're technically legal, so people use them. Mephedrone is a substituted cathinone (synthetic versions of cathinone, which is a chemical found in the khat plant). In the case of mephedrone (and other substituted cathinones), more amphetamine-like effects are produced, sometimes resulting in long- and/or short-term amphetamine-psychosis-like symptoms (possibly caused by dopamine neurotoxicity, though "bath salts" are pretty new on the marked and there aren't any long-term-use studies I know of). Don't take "bath salts", even if it is your thing. You'd be better off with crank, and that's saying something (stay away from that shit too).

JesseT wrote: Salvinorin A has a huge therapeutic index (effective dose<<<fatal dose), and it appears that you'd have to try really really hard to OD from it. It it's your thing, go for it.

Basically, like weed, you'd have to cut off all air supply to the lungs & brain and essentially suffocate yourself. Also, I am pretty sure it's about damn impossible to die from LSD overdose. I remember that an elephant was shot up with about a liter of LSD and that didn't kill it. But the scientists ended up killing it unintentionally when they gave it other drugs to revive the animal.

As far as bath salts are concerned, I had no experience with them and never will. One thing I do know is if someone around me is going to do bath salts then I need to break out the gun with the silver bullets just in case. And maybe use a wooden stake and mallet after sending the silver bullets downrange to their intended target.

Wow.. a liter? That's enough to hold Jesse's cat over for like.. two weekends or so.

Alas, my cat tells me he doesn't have nearly the tolerance he used to.

True, LSD and Mary J both have enormous therapeutic indeces as well.

With weed it is theoretically impossible to fatally overdose since the part of your brainstem responsible for homeostasis, breathing and heartbeat doesn't contain any cannabinoid receptors.

LSD is theoretically possible to fatally overdose on, but you would have to take a few hundred to a few thousand times an effective dose (and that's a conservative estimate), and it would seriously rock your world if you survived. The aforementioned elephant, while likely actually being killed by the barbituates administered, did go into convulsions from its dose of about 3000 hits. Then again, elephants' metabolism and neurochemistry are too different from ours to draw any conclusions with regards to the relationship between a safe pachyderm dose and a safe human dose.

Daryl Allan wrote:Wow.. a liter? That's enough to hold Jesse's cat over for like.. two weekends or so.

I maybe exaggerating about...I just remember it was a whopping trip. In the meantime, enjoy the tripping cat (and if anyone has the entire video tell me where I can get it).

youtu.be/EJEw3A_QO9o

I think I need medicating soon,,,,something....

Clifton Santiago wrote: Shine on, you crazy diamond, I'm out

Best response on this forum in a long time.

Skat B wrote:liter of LSD

made me think of
youtube.com/watch?v=Ah7Apye…

Skat B wrote: Basically, like weed, you'd have to cut off all air supply to the lungs & brain and essentially suffocate yourself. Also, I am pretty sure it's about damn impossible to die from LSD overdose.

JesseT wrote: LSD is theoretically possible to fatally overdose on, but you would have to take a few hundred to a few thousand times an effective dose (and that's a conservative estimate), and it would seriously rock your world if you survived.

LD50 for LSD is 12mg, or about 120 'hits' of 100ug, so maybe 60X what most people do in a trip (2 hits = 200ug). But that's the dose that would be expected to kill 50% of all people who do it... I wouldn't push it. An effective dose is indeed 20ug, but that's not what anybody does, so it's a murky area.
I've personally attended to people who did a lot less and were lucky to have lived. (not killed themselves) Put them to sleep on Haldol and hope that they are sane enough to understand the judge when they get their hearing... and that no latent psychiatric conditions are triggered (IE Dormant Schizophrenia) etc...

Purple Thunder, 650 mg. was big in 70,s along with 'starter' levels of 250 or 300 yellow sunshine. Guy I know won a wrestling tournament on Purple Thunder one weekend.

Woodchuck ATC wrote:Purple Thunder, 650 mg. was big in 70,s along with 'starter' levels of 250 or 300 yellow sunshine. Guy I know won a wrestling tournament on Purple Thunder one weekend.

FOR SURE you mean ug not mg. Unless we're talking about blotter the size of a poster-board, or 50+ vials, and someone tossing $5,000-20,000 down for a serious high. Then keeling over.
If the done you describe was right, even one of those Yellow Sunshine's you describe could kill 10-20 people at once.

Merlin wrote: Best response on this forum in a long time.

Agreed.

Incidentally, The Diamond left us on my birthday several years back. I haven't scooped up the 2011 book The Definitive Visual Companion but hope to check it out soon. Should be a good read for any PF fan.

micrograms, yes that was my intent to post...milligrams would be daym knockout shit for your head.

Kyle Blase wrote:LSD thumbprints are equivalent to anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand hits. So the estimate of 120 hits for an LD50 seems really low. Check out this thread for some really interesting stories. I guess this has nothing to do with climbing, but then again most of the stuff in these forums doesn't. Thumbprint thread

I didn't estimate that LD-50. It is based on actual science and research. Animals die on that stuff in Eq concentrations, though our seritonergic neurons are not really distributed the same, adjustments are made to the data...

As for this 'coating' of a thumb... do you mean thinly or thickly? I'd estimate a thin thumbprint to be 1/8- 1/4g or 125-250mg. Think about what a finger-dip hit of other substances were 120mG is the target dose ~ 1/8g. Anyway, what you suggest would be on the order of 1000 hits and entering the realm of deadly.
Also about $5000. All in all a cheaper way to go than buying a sport bike, I guess.
I know a lot of people. I don't know anyone who claims to have done this or anyone that would want to... nor allow anyone that they cared about to try it.
Do you know anyone personally that's done this? Where did they get a load of solid LSD like that that someone allowed them to stick their thumb into? Jesus H C... I'd just go buy myself a new car instead...
Despite the fact that the high from this 'thumb print' would likely outlive the new car's use if it didn't kill you first.

For real as kids we would dissolve hits of acid right in our eyes. The LSD went right to the system and you would be peaking in 15-20 minutes if i remember correctly. We also did the same with liquid acid. This was the 90's...

Also although maybe the quality of the LSD going around in the 90's was not the best i would often take up to ten hits at a time. In the case of the thumb print i am not really shocked. After taking LSD day in an day out the body for the most part needs double to produce the desired affect. So if Monday you take 1 hit of LSD and then Tuesday want to trip again you need 2 hits of acid, if on day three you want to trip again you need 4 hits of acid. On more than one occasion after like 2-3 week day in day out LSD binge i myself ate 1-1.5 whole sheets of acid. Doing it day in and day out like this you could see how someone could take massive doses of the drug in a fairly safe manner. Pretty normal behavior amongst LSD lovers imop..

Yes we were wild kids but boy did we have a great great time!!

If top-roping with an understanding baby-sitter (you owe the same to them on a subsequent occasion, and they shouldn't lead with your belay to set up said TR, obviously, don't be a dumb ass) is whoa, it's more fun than a good Dead cover band while similarly intoxicated, that's for damn sure

APBT1976 wrote: After taking LSD day in an day out the body for the most part needs double to produce the desired affect. So if Monday you take 1 hit of LSD and then Tuesday want to trip again you need 2 hits of acid, if on day three you want to trip again you need 4 hits of acid. On more than one occasion after like 2-3 week day in day out LSD binge i myself ate 1-1.5 whole sheets of acid. Doing it day in and day out like this you could see how someone could take massive doses of the drug in a fairly safe manner.

Yes and no... getting 'tripped out' and requiring more and more to reach a psychedelic high doesn't extend the limits of toxicity as much as you might think. I'd love to know the actual amounts that people have survived without damage. 10 hits, sure... I know a lot of people, but 100+!?!? I'm skeptical. I have had the opportunity to work with people who acutely overdose to get them back on this here planet, and their amounts are way way way below that. Much above that and we're talking haldol.

Tony B wrote: Yes and no... getting 'tripped out' and requiring more and more to reach a psychedelic high doesn't extend the limits of toxicity as much as you might think. I'd love to know the actual amounts that people have survived without damage. 10 hits, sure... I know a lot of people, but 100+!?!? I'm skeptical. I have had the opportunity to work with people who acutely overdose to get them back on this here planet, and their amounts are way way way below that. Much above that and we're talking haldol.

I guess it depends what you call damage. Loss of a varying degree of memory, maybe lasting elevated anxiety levels and or some sort of mood disorders maybe. Perma trips, wacked out thoughts and seeing crazy colors maybe in the rare case but i would say that would go for anyone who rolls the dice with even 1 hit of LSD.

I am not trying to be a jerk but i am skeptical to take the word of anyone whom tests any drug on someone or something "another creature" other than them self and then says with any amount of conviction one way or the other that they feel they understand the effects of said drug. How about you take the drug for said amount of time a said doses then maybe i take for face value to some degree what you have to say. Imop i understand we need to do this but i also feel it is complete bullshit when said Dr. sits in front of said patient and says Lipator for cholesterol instead of demanding daily exercise and diet. Or Zanax or Kolonopin for anxiety when in many cases said persons anxiety can simply be managed with proper diet, hydration, sleep and exercise.

I will attest though i am a big hater of the pharmacuetical industry for the most part. I do not feel alone in that regard as i think most are in some way shape or form put off by the medical feild pushing drugs as solutions. Still though the majority will take the quick fix as making real change is just way to hard when people have to jam pack life just to survive. Well at least they think they have to.

Back to LSD, clearly the stuff can be potent in varying degrees and dangerous. However i stand my ground that on more than one occasion i have ingested 75-100 hits of LSD at one time give or take. I think i am ok for the most part? At least grandma, mom, employers and friends and family seem to think so. I clearly have had a few friends whom clearly melted their brains. In those cases though is was mostly due to MDMA abuse and the end result was much that of someone whom smoked a bit too much angle dust. Just a sad situation really resulting in a person with a brain melted to the point the person can barely maintain focus long enough to finish a sentence and clearly struggles to stay in the present.