|Type:||Trad, Alpine, 14 pitches, 2000', Grade IV|
|Consensus:||YDS: 5.10+ French: 6b+ Ewbanks: 21 UIAA: VII+ ZA: 20 British: E3 5b [details]|
|FA:||Dave Nettle and Jim Howle, early 1990s|
|Season:||mid summer to early fall|
|Submitted By:||rocky233 on Jul 20, 2006|
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By Chris Owen
From: Big Bear Lake
Jul 28, 2006
|Thanks for sharing the link - lots of great info and pictures, plus a downloadable PDF topo.|
By Reuben Shelton
May 31, 2009
|First ascent by Dave Nettle and Jim Howle in the early 90's, impressively done in a push to and from Tahoe.|
From: Sin City & Bishop
Sep 5, 2011
This is not your typical High Sierra route. Many of the pitches are sustained for the grade. Given the lack of traffic the route is heavily vegetated with a large amount of lichen.
approach. We went in early Sep 2011 (a big snow year). The river crossings weren't too bad. I didn't feel like hunting for an optimal dry crossing so the best option for me was wading. We were able to access the route without crampons/ice axe by scrambling up the bergshrund.
descent. We took the gully directly from the summit that points directly toward Ladder Lake, contouring climber's right when it got difficult. With some down-climbing we only had to do one 100 ft rap.
NOTES ON THE ART MESSIER TOPO:
p4. The 10a crack marked here is harder than 10a (harder than the crux IMHO). Not sure if the original intent on the FA was to climb the thin crack in the dihedral. There's also a thin hands (for me) crack on the arete.
p5. Not really a pitch. It's ~30 ft of dihedral leading up to the roof.
p9. The pro was marginal getting up to the roof, but you can protect the thin traverse under the roof with a purple TCU.
p10. This is in the written description, but confusing from the topo. From the large sloping belay ledge step down and traverse right to reach the 5.9/9 crack.
As noted expect the rope lengths to be off. Otherwise the topo was quite helpful.
From: Visalia, CA
Mar 1, 2012
|I don't know if it's just my computer, but the link doesn't open anymore. It's on my to-do list for the summer so I could really use that PDF! Thanks!|
From: Sin City & Bishop
Apr 9, 2012
I can't get to it either. Let me dig around and see if I saved a copy.
Sorry, I checked my old laptop and backups. I didn't save the TR or topo. Also tried pulling up a cached copy from Google with no luck.
There is a topo in Moynier & Fiddler at least in the 1993 version.
By Zoom Loco
Jun 14, 2012
|Very big day to do car-to-car. The climbing is good, and sustained. There is a really good variation to go left from the top of the pillar (pitch 10); we put those beta details and some others in our TR here. pullharder.org/2012/06/14/almo...|
From: Sherman Oaks, California
Oct 9, 2013
Sep 4, 2014
I have a copy of the Art Messier trip report and topo if anyone wants it. Just send me a message.
Did this route last weekend. Found it to be very high quality, and it is very hard to compare to any other route I have done. The commitment factor seemed higher than anything else on the East Side with the overall remoteness, very sustained climbing with lots of lichen, and a somewhat sketchy descent. For example, the S. Face of Conness and Dark Star feel easier and less committing overall. It was awesome! Dave Nettle and Jim Howle are immortalized by putting up this route in the fashion they did.
Here is some additional beta that might help:
Find the start by looking up for the big tree at the top of pitch 3. There is a left facing dihedral at the bottom that you will have to do a few moves to get into. Start down and about 10 feet right of that dihedral depending on snow level. We had no snow.
P1 Go about 150 feet. If the climbing gets thin and hard you have gone up the dihedral too far. Belay in a small alcove about 15 feet below a small dike traverse right. The traverse is right below the flake system that you will take on pitch 2. Maybe 5.8
P2. Few moves right pro with a yellow alien or similar size. Up flakes to big ledge/gully that angles up and right. 5.8 and fun.
P3. Go right up the gully to the end, and climb the flake system above. Trend back left to the big pine tree on the ledge. Maybe 5.8
P3.5. Move belay up and left to a small tree about 60 feet away, directly under the obvious 10a roof section, which is about 120 feet below the big roof.
P4. Climb the 10a pitch. Fun and solid and sustained after the first 30 feet. Belay after you get through the thin greasy part over the small roof. This pitch is the start of the real business in this climb, and the rest of the pitches are very sustained.
P5. Nobody comments on this pitch, but it is quite sustained and a little sketchy. Boulder move off the belay with small gear, but gear is bomber after first 10 feet. Great moves. Belay about 15 feet under the big roof.
P6. The 5.8 traverse right around the arete is not hard, but there is no pro. It feels very sketchy until you can get some gear up by where the roof meets the arete. A whipper here would not be good. Continue up great crack climbing for 40 or 50 more feet, then traverse left to a sloping ledge. Anchor gear here is all small stuff in a horizontal crack, and not great. If you don't like that, then set the hanging belay at the top of the crack before you traverse left to the ledge.
P7. We went down about 10 feet and left off the ledge to get around the arete. Then up for 200 feet trending slightly left over a loose roof block section. I missed the dike/flake traverse back right that is described in other descriptions. We belayed at a big alcove at the bottom of a right facing dihedral, with the crux roof about 50 feet up and right of us. We thought this was better than the description of the standard way, which has a hanging belay around loose blocks.
P8. Up and right across an improbably looking dike. Pro in the middle with a small piece. Reach right to the 5.8 crack system, and head up through the awesome roof.
P9. 5.9 seems like a sandbag for the start of this pitch through the roof traverse. The pro is sparse and small, and it is thin and full of lichen. The actual traverse under the roof felt about 10b. The climbing up the left facing dihedral after that was great and sustained at maybe 5.8 or 5.9. Belay at the sloping ledge.
P10. Go 7 feet up to the small ledge above the sloping ledge and set pro, Then step down and right around the corner to a small alcove. Trouser wetting moves. Climb the crack on the right side of the alcove and it turns into a dihedral. Awesome pitch of sustained climbing. Could be 5.9, but felt like 10a through some of the bulges.
P11. It starts to break up here. We had a 70m rope, so we tried to make these last pitches long. Stay on the right side of the arete through some broken up climbing until you reach a notch looking down a giant face on the left.
P12. Go a little right to a green dihedral on the right side of the arete. Climb up that, and move out right at the top of it. Then left back to the arete. Continue up just on the right side of the arete through some very fun 5.7 or 5.8. Get a little taste of wide crack on the big flake. We belayed under the small roof after the wide crack flake.
P13. Short pitch. Up over the roof at maybe 5.6 or 5.7 and continue up to the top..
Scramble over to the summit about 300 feet away. Then go down past the small bivy spot, then right and down into the loose crappy gully. Trend down and left, then over a small ridge and continue down and left. Come to a rib that cliffs out.. Rap down one or two raps into the left gully and scramble down to the river below the lake.
Rack: Double set from small alien to yellow camalot. Single 3 and 4 cam. Offset nuts useful. 70m rope was useful too. Dozen sling draws and a couple double length runners.
By Justin Johnsen
Sep 9, 2014
|Thanks Dusty, since Rocky hasn't been around here in years, and the original link is dead, I filled in your beta. Let me know if you want to adopt this page.|