Redacted Squad - offensive route names on MP

Its been another year so I'm asking again. Years ago a diverse committee was created to correct offensive route names on MP. We still have many route names listed as Redacted. When will this project be completed? What are the next steps?

Here is the official policy OnX posted regarding the review of discriminatory names.

https://www.mountainproject.com/name-review-process

I would also appreciate an update on finishing the renaming project.

In New Mexico, I have been proactive and reached out to several FAs directly to ask for new names. This has worked to update several names.

If provided a full list of New Mexico redacted route names, I can do the work to contact the people I can track down. 

How about this disgusting and  homophobic one? I don’t know where to complain about this. I have put 2 notices over about 2 years with the admin, but it looks like the admin was the person be the person who put it on mountain project.

https://www.mountainproject.com/v/120740173

Cory B wrote:

Here is the official policy OnX posted regarding the review of discriminatory names.

https://www.mountainproject.com/name-review-process

Good to see that contacting the FA-ist by email is on the list.

I’m still not on board with the generic renaming. But of course it isn’t mine to decide.

Anna’s proactiveness is appreciated as well.

 Good to prod about this every now and then. Still, I don’t feel the urgency given all the things now in place. Others may feel differently 

How about the “Unredacted squad”? The good faith is a facade when there is no public and upfront admission that a redaction could be a mistake and must be reversed. At best this is conceit, at worst a power trip exercise from echo-chambered admins and users with extremist worldviews over the majority of the climbing community.

Any problem-solver worth their salt, in any sphere of life, always figures up front that the cure can be worse than the disease. Anyone who does not is a charlatan.

I’m waiting for Soup Nazi, a reference to a beloved episode from Seinfeld, a Jew, to be unredacted. Take it to the bank from me, a Jew.

Redacted Redactberg wrote:

How about the “Unredacted squad”? The good faith is a facade when there is no public and upfront admission that a redaction could be a mistake and must be reversed. At best this is conceit, at worst a power trip exercise from echo-chambered admins and users with extremist worldviews over the majority of the climbing community.

Any problem-solver worth their salt, in any sphere of life, always figures up front that the cure can be worse than the disease. Anyone who does not is a charlatan.

I’m waiting for Soup Nazi, a reference to a beloved episode from Seinfeld, a Jew, to be underacted. Take it to the bank from me, a Jew.

Free speech is a great way to know who the real turds are, so many people these days want to live in an echo chamber and never hear things they don't like which in turn gives them no understanding of people outside the echo chamber. Soup Nazi being redacted is one step closer to erasing historical words to make certain folks more comfortable.  

We all mostly live in one of the newest countries on the planet that in its short history has slaughtered natives in the thousands, dropped atomic bombs on 250,000 innocent people while currently funding wars overseas with tax dollars yet these little words hurt our feelings.... Wtf 

Hi all, I find it interesting how MP is willing to erase climbing history for the sake of being PC and not offend anyone! What is more important for this website (MP) being PC and not offend a few people or to collect factual rock climbing information? But I do understand that here in the 21st century that the minority is the new majority! Happy Climbing Mike A.

Patsy wrote:

How about this disgusting and  homophobic one? I don’t know where to complain about this. I have put 2 notices over about 2 years with the admin, but it looks like the admin was the person be the person who put it on mountain project.

https://www.mountainproject.com/v/120740173

Context matters. Being offended at face value takes zero thought or consideration of the why it was named. Sometimes the reality is the offensive names are sarcastic or meant to deliver something more than the words at face value. If you don't care to know the whole story you're gonna be offended and that to me, is a you problem.

I work in a mainly queer dance company and the amount of perceivably offensive shit said is not a small amount. example is the use of the word Homo since it relates to the route name that bothers you.
It is used by the ones who are supposed to be offended by it all the time. If I were to just write out what they said you would probably be upset.....but if you knew they were a ripped gay drag queen saying it to a trans man would you still be as offended?

Maybe MP has a concept of a plan.

Redacted Redactberg wrote:

How about the “Unredacted squad”? The good faith is a facade when there is no public and upfront admission that a redaction could be a mistake and must be reversed. At best this is conceit, at worst a power trip exercise from echo-chambered admins and users with extremist worldviews over the majority of the climbing community.

Any problem-solver worth their salt, in any sphere of life, always figures up front that the cure can be worse than the disease. Anyone who does not is a charlatan.

I’m waiting for Soup Nazi, a reference to a beloved episode from Seinfeld, a Jew, to be unredacted. Take it to the bank from me, a Jew.

Around here, there's a route called Beginner's Bitch that's been redacted on MP. It refers, as almost any rational person would guess, to the fact that the climb is challenging for beginners. It has nothing to do with a derogatory term for a woman, and I have never heard anyone take it that way.

I get the arguments for changing some names, but a lot of this redaction stuff is silly and mindless.

Robert S wrote:

I get the arguments for changing some names, but a lot of this redaction stuff is silly and mindless.

Because it was done by robots armed with a list of "derogatory" words.

This entire butt hurt mentality is ridiculous.  If you don’t like the route name, here’s a crazy idea- don’t climb it!  Boycott the crag!  
The FA who put in time and sweat and money has a right to name it whatever they want. Why does MP get to be the thought police on what is offensive?
We are one step closer to War is peace.  Freedom is slavery.  Ignorance is strength. 

Todd Berlier wrote:

Hard disagree on this. Imo, if the context is not readily available (which it rarely is) then it does not matter.

My name David offends you, maybe reminds you of some childhood bully that gave you an atomic wedgie and a swirly. My name has no context. Time to redact my name, replace it with a serial number…. Oh wait, this is starting to sound horribly familiar….

Literally anything can be found by someone to have insufficient context and be sufficiently offensive. This is so antihuman. There is something called culture. If you lack the humility to accept life in a universe where you are sometimes in the dark about some context of any bit of information anywhere, and think that everything must have context readily available personally for you, then such censorship is no kind of justice, but a confession of galaxy levels of narcissism.

Hart Fuffer wrote:

He had insufficient context, so he got offended.

The route I bring up is called “Way Homo Spurm Burpers from Fresno”.

Todd Berlier wrote:

What the fuck are you talking about? A concept of a plan is what an idiot says that doesn't have a plan and pulls something out of their dumbass to act like they've thought about. 

It's what a 14 year old says when their teacher asks them about their plan for the class project that's due the next day.

It's what you tell your boss when you haven't done shit on a work assignment.

I mean, no one (with half a brain) buys it when you say MP has a concept of a plan. If MP has even an inkling of a concept of a plan it would have been carried out already.

You forget to add (or maybe I did) that MP has concepts of a plan the likes of which no one has ever seen before. And it's a great concept, an amazing concept, and people are talking about it everywhere. It's something we've never seen the likes of before! People always tell me, "Sir, I didn't think I could be amazed, but this is amazing!"

Lol, at first I thought you got my joke and were running with it, but as I read your post again, especially the last part, I got the feeling you took me seriously and really were teeing off on me.

But if I'm wrong and you trolled my troll, then props to you.

Todd Berlier wrote:

Hard disagree on this. Imo, if the context is not readily available (which it rarely is) then it does not matter.

so taking offense is the default? seems like a terrible way to go through life.
I've said this before. I look at route names as a type of history, and changing history to fit your feelings is problematic in its own right.

Patsy wrote:

The route I bring up is called “Way Homo Spurm Burpers from Fresno”.

yes it is, and I gave you the context which provides insight. Seems like you glossed over all that and went with your knee jerk reaction to words.