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Jan Mc · · CA · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 0
Guy Keeseewrote:

But TBH HC has - or had at one time- even bigger Trout.

Jan got me into Fly Fishing about 10 years ago. Before the extra dry years. Even though I was brand new to the “sport of the Uber rich” I was able to cast OK, I thought, get a decent drift- or knot and occasionally set the hook on those well educated Trout.

A story. One time, while standing on the island. I heard all this splashing going on right behind me. I thought it somebody’s dog. But no, it was a sea monster. A fish at least 3 feet long who was fighting to get upstream, in shallow water, so it could snatch a large worm from the weeds. And it did then disappeared back into the depths.

So that’s my quest - Jan says he has had that one ON for a few seconds, gets away every time.

I have had some fantastic luck fishing Hot Creek, including a 26" brown buck on a size 16 dry yellow sally.  It used to be you could regularly catch 20 to 22 inch trout if you had the skills.  Sadly, the droughts killed all the large fish there.  Just imagine a creek as small as Hot Creek with 12,000 fish per mile.  This was the reality before the droughts took the creek down to 300 fish per mile  This is slowly recovering and there are some large fish available to catch now. I just hope next winter is another good one so that the fish in the Sierra can continue to thrive.

Daniel Shively · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2024 · Points: 0
Bill Lundeenwrote:

Anyone remember The Rock Warrior's Way by Arno Ilgner?  Probably came out late 90s or so?  It's mental training to become easier with falling and runouts, etc.  Arno based his book on the writings of Casteneda and the teachings of Don Juan Matus, a Yaqui sorcerer from Oaxaca, Mexico.  I got alot out of the book at the time.  Probably would again now if I applied it to aging...  The book is still in print and Arno has a website with info and training seminars, etc.  Yes, Dan, those were fun, deep discussions back in the day. Missing them!

I miss you too Bill! Yeah, I read the Rock Warrior’s Way and enjoyed it. It’s interesting to me how many philosophies share similar core concepts but can often be extremely contentious depending on how the message is delivered. I guess that’s why I’m not bound by any of them but inspired by many of them. 

Cheers to all!

x15x15 · · Use Ignore Button · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 285
Jan Mcwrote:

I have had some fantastic luck fishing Hot Creek, including a 26" brown buck on a size 16 dry yellow sally.  It used to be you could regularly catch 20 to 22 inch trout if you had the skills.  Sadly, the droughts killed all the large fish there.  Just imagine a creek as small as Hot Creek with 12,000 fish per mile.  This was the reality before the droughts took the creek down to 300 fish per mile  This is slowly recovering and there are some large fish available to catch now. I just hope next winter is another good one so that the fish in the Sierra can continue to thrive.

I know little bit about the HC fishery. Not from the science standpoint, but from fishing this spring fed creek for 50 years. (I do belong in this thread) Its been up. Get going before it goes down. There are large fish... 

Edit... im just partial to hc. Its where I grew up flyfishing. Helped me when I went to school in Ellensburg. There are big fish in the Yakima.

John Gill · · Colorado · Joined Apr 2019 · Points: 27
T Hockingwrote:

Castaneda, I read all of his books back in the 70's and have noticed that many in the climbing tribe back then did also. What was the specific attraction of climbers to his works? Or was it merely coincidence?

Anyone else here besides Bill and myself take the Don Juan trip?

My first attempt at the Art of Dreaming in the mid 1970s was a profound experience. I awoke, climbed out of bed, and walked around the bedroom - glancing at my inert body still in bed. The level of reality was considerably stronger than normal awakeness, and I could feel the texture of the carpet on my feet, and when I knocked on the surface of a chest of drawers it was hard and resounded in the quiet and stillness. My first thought was "There is something else!"  No drugs.

A little later I was even less attached to normal reality while in the lucid dream state and would occasionally climb a pitch by simply floating up, pure will. In fact, one of my approaches to climbing during the 1960s had been to solve a boulder problem using minimal contact with the rock. 

All distant memories, now. 

Todd Berlier · · Orangevale, CA · Joined Jan 2026 · Points: 0


Not sure I ever posted this one. I did this about 2 years ago. It's my most repeated at 3 repeats with V8 confirmed. It's right on the ocean near Gualala and took about 3 days of work. Found it 5 years prior and thought about it a ton. Didn't think I could do it and sent the pin to multiple folks trying to get others to do it so I wouldn't keep thinking about it! So glad I got to do it 

phylp phylp · · Upland · Joined May 2015 · Points: 1,147

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2026-06-23/american-trickster-carlos-castaneda-biography-review

Recent review of new Castaneda biography and discussion of his many deceptions. 

Lori Milas · · Joshua Tree, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 250
phylp phylpwrote:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2026-06-23/american-trickster-carlos-castaneda-biography-review

Recent review of new Castaneda biography and discussion of his many deceptions. 

I remember reading a book years ago by a journalist who called into question Castaneda’s credibility on almost every aspect of his story. It was a bit disappointing after having read Castaneda’s entire library and assuming at least some of it was true.  

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It was super hot this morning so I cut short my hike and wandered over to visit CS Special.  

I’d sure like to go back and climb it again.  The first time I accepted that there was no way I could do the beginning boulder move and just worked around it.  This time I’d like to give it a go with some coaching.  


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the start. I believe it’s about grabbing the first or second protrusion on that right edge and hoisting up.  Maybe Bob would have a better idea.  

Idaho Bob · · McCall, ID · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 757
James Harveywrote:

While always unnerving, finding mountain lion fresh kills thrills me..

Most of the time, but once we came across fresh blood still running down the trail.  That was quite scary.

Kristian Solem · · Hulett, WY · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 1,085
Lori Milaswrote: 

It was super hot this morning so I cut short my hike and wandered over to visit CS Special.  

I’d sure like to go back and climb it again.  The first time I accepted that there was no way I could do the beginning boulder move and just worked around it.  This time I’d like to give it a go with some coaching.  


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the start. I believe it’s about grabbing the first or second protrusion on that right edge and hoisting up.  Maybe Bob would have a better idea.  

As I recall, the start is all about stemming or bridging your feet across the ribs on the left and right to gain height and get your center of balance out from under the overhang as much as possible. The handholds are pretty positive, even a bit gym like, but you have to move up on your feet, spread wide, to use them. When you get your hands high you commit to the right foot rib and rock up onto your left foot on the lip of the overhang. Of course, Jan's beta will be completely different because his legs don't reach that wide, he had fingers like hydraulic claws, and he weighed about 110. 

Also, as I recall, there are harder moves above, but its been more than a few years and I might be thinking of something else. The reason I think there's a hard move higher up is because if the start were the crux and the rest was easier I would have soloed it. Something up there gave me a fit of common sense, and kept me from doing that.

I always thought it was a fun route, and did it many times at sunset while walking out from a day of climbing on Echo Rock or things further back in there. When you get to this rock you're basically back at the car, and there's always time for one more climb...

Nick Goldsmith · · NEK · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 505

Got back to Lasso ledge again today with Isa.  I gave Isa the first lead on the new climb that I have been working on cleaning and equipping. Given that it's the north east its a lot of work. Isa cruising up the first overlap

hard to get good shots in the deep dark woods. 

then I led it. Isa following the 2nd ascent

Jim Westgate on the 3rd ascent

A Pretty Little Snake 5.7 90ft Sport. 

A gud time was had by all. 

Lori Milas · · Joshua Tree, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 250

Kris, I don’t think there’s anything harder than that opening sequence of moves on this route, nothing more up ahead. But I just so desperately wanted to climb what I could on that rock… After all it was and is a Houser route.  


It just kills me to read of your and Jan’s stories about climbing in Joshua Tree as though you could just trot over to another route after a day of climbing before heading out out of Dodge. Your energy must have been endless. I’m guessing it still is. 

I was probably good for two or three laps on this route and that is it.   

I have a friend who climbs these massive 5.13 walls at Smith, works on them all day, works on them the next day.  He says his fingers get fatigued, but a little rest and he’s right back at it.  

I have to keep a deal with myself that my best is good enough. It has to be.  But I know a lot of us keep training and hoping. 

apogee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 0

Looks like Platner is going off the rails, and Dems are jumping off left and right- it's about feckin time. Dems should be ashamed of themselves for riding this as far as they have, but at least this disgusting association is going to end, as opposed to the other Party that has stayed with their POS for ten years (and still going).

Our political system is so fecked up that it allows douchebags like these to get as far as they do.

Edit:

FTFY, NR.

Li Hu · · Different places · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 55
apogeewrote:

Looks like Platner is going off the rails, and Dems are jumping off left and right- it's about feckin time. Dems should be ashamed of themselves for riding this as far as they have, but at least this disgusting association is going to end, as opposed to the other Party that has stayed with their POS for ten years (and still going).

Our political system is so fecked up that it allows douchebags like these to get as far as they do.

Edit:

FTFY, NR.

The sorts who make politicians are pretty much sociopaths.

Teen rapists and partygoers more or less come from the same stock. The worst of the wealthy entitled private school herd.

Not surprised   

Emil Briggs · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 140
apogeewrote:

Looks like Platner is going off the rails, and Dems are jumping off left and right- it's about feckin time. Dems should be ashamed of themselves for riding this as far as they have, but at least this disgusting association is going to end, as opposed to the other Party that has stayed with their POS for ten years (and still going).

Our political system is so fecked up that it allows douchebags like these to get as far as they do.

Edit:

FTFY, NR.

Don't forget Paxton.

apogee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 0
Emil Briggswrote:

Don't forget Paxton.

The list is long (getting longer?), and extends to both sides of the aisle. Seems like it useta be that douchery would be discovered after someone was elected to office (often resulting in resignations and public apologies) and if was discovered during the election cycle, the resulting scandal would crush their campaign. Now, obvious, blatant douchery comes out during the campaign, and the political establishment and a big portion of the electorate still stands behind them. That says as much about the people doing the voting as it does the political machine that steers the process.

Bill Lundeen · · Fort Bragg, CA · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 120
John Gillwrote:

My first attempt at the Art of Dreaming in the mid 1970s was a profound experience. I awoke, climbed out of bed, and walked around the bedroom - glancing at my inert body still in bed. The level of reality was considerably stronger than normal awakeness, and I could feel the texture of the carpet on my feet, and when I knocked on the surface of a chest of drawers it was hard and resounded in the quiet and stillness. My first thought was "There is something else!"  No drugs.

A little later I was even less attached to normal reality while in the lucid dream state and would occasionally climb a pitch by simply floating up, pure will. In fact, one of my approaches to climbing during the 1960s had been to solve a boulder problem using minimal contact with the rock. 

All distant memories, now. 

Amazing experience, John! I was never able to really slip into lucid dreaming very well. I DO remember one small dream, in the heart of Casteneda years, where I "awoke" and like your experience, John, the level of reality was WAY beyond normal waking awareness. Everything was incredibly vivid and sharp, and I asked myself if I was maybe dreaming. I looked down at the mexican tile floor of where I was living and it was absolutely incredible in detail.  Then I said, What will happen if I turn off the light switch?  Everything stayed vibrant when I flicked it off, and when I then tried closing my eyes I could still see just the same.  I knew then it was a lucid dream, where seeing is not really done with the eyes.  Another time I was in a room, and said I could float up if I want to (like you floating up the rock). I went slowly up to the ceiling, pushed off and came back down to the floor. But when I went outside and tried it I got scared because there was nothing to push down on and my fear woke me up.

Yes, Carlos was definitely found to have made up a lot, probably to sell books. But THE LESSONS HE (DON JUAN) TAUGHT ARE REAL.  That's what I chose to focus on, how powerfully his books changed my life, integrity, awareness, and focus.  That's what Arno Ilgner uses in his book The Warrior's Way.  I must admit that to gain amazing benefits from the writing, I was truly in an immersive experience. I read Casteneda's 12 books back to back 7 times over many years. I've moved on like everyone else, but mainly because these lessons are now woven into the work of nearly all spiritual writers in one form or another, though rarely credited or mentioned.

Lori Milas · · Joshua Tree, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 250

You are so right, Bill.  I guess many of us have had these types of experiences, and they continue to today.  Thank you so much for sharing.   When my fiance died in a car crash in 1998, several months later I awoke from sleep to find him sitting on my bed, just watching me.  I sat up and started patting his body head to toe to see if he was real. I pinched his skin, he was so firm and alive!  He held both of his beautiful arms out to each side so I could follow those lines and touch him to his fingertips.  I believe he was really there, in the flesh. There was no waking up, just deep love and kindness coming from him and between us.  

I got distracted today on my hike, heading over to these rocks, wondering why I have never climbed them.  The boulders and shrub look a little forbidding, but it hasn't stopped anyone else.  What can I climb on this formation?  The Comic Strip area

Yesterday I read a first person account by a man who had recently been bitten by a rattlesnake, and it really alarmed me.  (I wish I had saved it to share).  He was bitten on his hand, and his first thought was to carve an 'x' over the bite and suck out the venom.  He said that venom was fire, made his mouth and throat go numb, and then it traveled throughout his head and blinded him.  He required 40 viles of antivenin to get through it.  I had kind of wondered why not just suck out venom or suction... his story cleared that up for me.  I have been hiking almost daily for years, and have seen quite a few rattlesnakes.  They are everywhere now, which is kind of prohibitive to hike through these canyons and buttresses.  I've kind of lost my nerve. 

Idaho Bob · · McCall, ID · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 757
Lori Milaswrote:

You are so right, Bill.  I guess many of us have had these types of experiences, and they continue to today.  Thank you so much for sharing.   When my fiance died in a car crash in 1998, several months later I awoke from sleep to find him sitting on my bed, just watching me.  I sat up and started patting his body head to toe to see if he was real. I pinched his skin, he was so firm and alive!  He held both of his beautiful arms out to each side so I could follow those lines and touch him to his fingertips.  I believe he was really there, in the flesh. There was no waking up, just deep love and kindness coming from him and between us.  

I got distracted today on my hike, heading over to these rocks, wondering why I have never climbed them.  The boulders and shrub look a little forbidding, but it hasn't stopped anyone else.  What can I climb on this formation?  The Comic Strip area

Yesterday I read a first person account by a man who had recently been bitten by a rattlesnake, and it really alarmed me.  (I wish I had saved it to share).  He was bitten on his hand, and his first thought was to carve an 'x' over the bite and suck out the venom.  He said that venom was fire, made his mouth and throat go numb, and then it traveled throughout his head and blinded him.  He required 40 viles of antivenin to get through it.  I had kind of wondered why not just suck out venom or suction... his story cleared that up for me.  I have been hiking almost daily for years, and have seen quite a few rattlesnakes.  They are everywhere now, which is kind of prohibitive to hike through these canyons and buttresses.  I've kind of lost my nerve. 

10 or more years ago the recommendation to carve an X and suck rattlesnake venom out was dropped from WFR first aid recommendations.  Careful use of a tourniquet was recommended, somewhat dependent on where the bite was.  On the hand, pretty straight forward.

apogee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 0
Old lady H · · Boise, ID · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 1,375

Things got ugly fast here. The Boise foothills went up in flames yesterday afternoon.....and it's now over 4400 acres tonight. This is how we get the 100,000 acre ones, but hopefully it doesn't come to that. Dunno. At one point yesterday there was 7 aircraft working it, including C130s and a jet. We had no snow this winter, but record rains in April. Greener than I've ever seen it...but it's in the 90s now. So that's that.

Human caused, most likely.

Wa hoo.

H.

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