Crash pad stashing tactics

Mark Vigilwrote:

If you are so entitled that you think its totally cool to disrupt animal habitats in order to avoid physical labor, I suggest going to Vail resorts

It’s weird that as an alternative to disrupting animal habitats, you suggest patronizing a resort that was created by disrupting and actually destroying vast swaths of animal habitat. 

Daniel Shivelywrote:

It’s weird that as an alternative to disrupting animal habitats, you suggest patronizing a resort that was created by disrupting and actually destroying vast swaths of animal habitat. 

You keep attacking other posters. Stashing pads outside is lazy at best and super shitty at its worst. Do your shitty thing if thats how you do, just stop being shitty towards people because youre butthurt people think it's shitty.

Daniel Shivelywrote:

It’s weird that as an alternative to disrupting animal habitats, you suggest patronizing a resort that was created by disrupting and actually destroying vast swaths of animal habitat. 

Whoosh.  

Sail Sevenwrote:

You keep attacking other posters. Stashing pads outside is lazy at best and super shitty at its worst. Do your shitty thing if thats how you do, just stop being shitty towards people because youre butthurt people think it's shitty.

Huh? I replied to one person who started out by calling the op lazy and a second who thought that patronizing a major destroyer of habitat was a solution for disrupting habitat. I’m not sure how this would qualify as an “attack” on anyone. And in fact, I thanked a contributor and answered cordially to others, just as I am to you. I’m also not “butthurt” in the least and will continue to operate how I see fit in my own little part of the world. 

Happy bouldering!

I suspect it wouldn’t reduce the overall vitriol, but maybe try the bouldering forum if you’re looking for additional perspective on the topic?

People are flamers. There isn’t really a good way without having a way to suspend the pads in shelter and not draw attention. Mice will eventually always win if you store stuff on the ground.

People are once again way overreacting.

If something is the social norm, you can probably get away with doing it.

There are plenty of reasonable reasons to stash gear. If you’re going back the next day, if you are bringing hardware. Is it lazy? Sure. But 99% of the people at the crag never do any skilled maintenance to their climbing area. Are they lazy? Sure!

Dirtbag Betawrote:

Thanks for your thoughtful and nuanced answer. 

I have personally hiked out a waterlogged, rodent chewed, and abandoned crash pad from an alpine zone.  I was disgusted that someone would be so be so disrespectful and irresponsible. I'm seeking advice so, should I decide to stay a pad, I can do so respectfully and responsibly. 

So we have:

1. Homemade rodent deterrent
2. Elevated/dry area
3. Hidden 

Any other tips? 

Wrap them in tarps? Contractor bags? Spray them with Nikwax?

Take them with you when you leave.

Has the best possibility of not getting your pad chewed in or waterlogged.

It’s not a zero chance though.  I don’t know if you like to chew on things or have a weak bladder.

Good luck. 

Possibly they need/want many pads for a high or exposed problem and they don’t all fit in the car.

https://xender.vip/  

I’ve stashed pads in the past, more discretely than this, for bouldering high stuff without a spotter. 

haman karatwrote:

Possibly they need/want many pads for a high or exposed problem and they don’t all fit in the car.

Or maybe just use a rope?

To marc, pad stashing is exactly equivalent to project draws or fixed lines. Stashing gear is a highly forgivable offense the more remote and proud the objective is. In my opinion, if you haven’t used it in a week, it’s booty or trash unless its crazy far out there. The only stashed pads I’ve stumbled across in NY were at newly developed areas where the developers are actively scrubbing and putting up new shit. That said, my recommendation is to find the driest cave and put a tarp around em. Spray your pads on the edges with a mix of rubbing alcohol and cayenne pepper (bear spray is way overkill to deter rodents). For stashing ropes more long term a canoeing dry bag is what you want. Do the same to that. 

J W wrote:

Hey! What do you mean “outsized impact”?

Iz K wrote:

Sorry, but how is a 36" x 48" x 4" crash pad (dimensions for the Session II) on the ground, equivalent to a few draws suspended on a cliff face? Help me understand this.

Its all your crap left at the crag. Same reason littering a cigarette butt gets the same fine as a takeout container. It will all be removed anyways (unless you are just irresponsible) so in my eyes there is zero difference. 

Nicholas Budkawrote:

Its all your crap left at the crag. Same reason littering a cigarette butt gets the same fine as a takeout container. It will all be removed anyways (unless you are just irresponsible) so in my eyes there is zero difference. 

How many QuickDraws can you carry out? Like 200? How many crash pads like 3?

Obviously the amount of litter isn’t the only thing to consider like how bp should pay a lot more for an oil spill than you or I spilling gas at the pump.

We have a bouldering area where it’s a 7 mile drive up the road to get to the climbing. The road shuts down to cars usually around late November. I’ll stash a pad and then just hike up to the spot in the off season. I tell others where the pad is stashed so anyone can use it. Community pad. Wrap it in a waterproof tarp and make sure to elevate with some stacked wood to keep it off the ground. Hide that sucker so no one would ever call it trash because they wont know it’s there. Rodents might chew something off but sometimes they don’t. If you’re worried, leave a note in a plastic baggie that has a date and an explanation. I can’t think anyone but a complete dillweed would hike it out “because it’s trash” (especially with the note). Most people wouldn’t hike out a doggie poop bag so you’ll probably be fine. 

Y'all know the majority of folks anti-stash on this stupid discussion have no bouldering tics or on to-do list. Just implicit bias from the high and mighty dipshits willing to rationalize their impact, but not others.

OP, unless it's fun to watch this ineffectual banter (is for me), lock it. You've got good advice.

If I can't stash unseen off the ground I won't stash. The rope I'm using to rehearse the highballs I do, Marc, I'll use to hang the pad under an overhang.

Also, I don't know, but I bet the little critters folks are so ready to defend also will kill them in their home that originally displaced them. I also bet the pads are used more for bedding than inadvertent food 

SMFH and rolling my eyes.

In summary, stash pads:

• In a sheltered and elevated place (out of sight)
• Apply some sort of rodent deterrent 
• Wrap in a waterproof tarp
• Leave a note
• Hike out when no longer in use

Thanks for all of the great advice! 

Take in some aluminum chicken wire and a tarp and build a cage. That will keep the rodents out and the pads dry

Tim Kwrote:

Y'all know the majority of folks anti-stash on this stupid discussion have no bouldering tics or on to-do list. Just implicit bias from the high and mighty dipshits willing to rationalize their impact, but not others.

OP, unless it's fun to watch this ineffectual banter (is for me), lock it. You've got good advice.

If I can't stash unseen off the ground I won't stash. The rope I'm using to rehearse the highballs I do, Marc, I'll use to hang the pad under an overhang.

Also, I don't know, but I bet the little critters folks are so ready to defend also will kill them in their home that originally displaced them. I also bet the pads are used more for bedding than inadvertent food 

SMFH and rolling my eyes.

You need to get offline and get out more. 

Tzilla Rapdrillawrote:

Take in some aluminum chicken wire and a tarp and build a cage. That will keep the rodents out and the pads dry

Why stop there?

Chad Millerwrote:

You need to get offline and get out more. 

I'll have you know good sir, I was out all day. I sent my prahj but found a new one. I left my scrubbing gear in a home depot bucket--with a lid. I was going to stash 2 out of the 3 pads I carried but decided against it because of this thread.... actually because it's going to rain tomorrow and I couldn't find a suitable place.

Thanks for thinking of my mental health, tho. I do appreciate it.