New and experienced climbers over 50 #37

Ok we’ve derailed a thread on a climbing forum again. Time to head back to the Wyoming high country.

The North Fork of the Kings 

WF WF51wrote:

There's only one solution. Everyone. Everyone. Woman, child, man, cat, tree squirrel, the dying, the unborn, the recently deceased. Armed. Two pistols and one AK-47. Count down, 10, 9, 8 . . .

Eh, not me. I actually kind of like riffles and shooting them though i don't own any., shotguns oddly enough I can't hit a barn door with and pistols creep me out. I definitely wouldn't want a pistol in my house with  a demented elderly person and being under a lot of stress myself. Statistically I think you are more likely to hurt/kill yourself,  a family member or somebody else that shouldn't have been shot than defend yourself against a criminal with one. If I was in a living or work situation where I felt I had to defend myself against humans with a gun I would make a big effort to move. I think reading  surroundings and avoiding situations that are likely to get you involved having to commit violence is the first and most important defense. Obviously 300 miles from the nearest village in polar bear territory I was happy to have a riffle. I am not going to be shooting somebody over a can of beans so I can live a couple days longer.  I would already be defeating who I want to be and the length of time of my being is not the most important to me (then again if the other person was an a hole and I could use the beans, maybe) 

Now if things break down further to a hellscape where the military has gone rogue and is attacking innocent civilians or it has splintered and there are marauding bands of militias, that changes things. Considering my age and lack of previous military experience, I still would probably be more useful learning medic skills or some support skill rather than being guerilla infantry. With all the technology of sensors and drones etc, thinking you are going to last being some novice Rambo with your AK-47 more than 5 minutes seems dubious. We are better off taking what we can do now  to show the majority, normal people stands against fascism more seriously and also boycotting the businesses who are supporting MAGA. Just getting out (showing outrage peacefully and without counterproductive vandalism at this stage) and showing numbers of people is important. Hopefully with enough effort we can avoid having to make poisoned pies like that elderly Ukrainian women who took out a bunch of invaders.

ps, Norm, the thread will remain strong even with interjections relevant to the needs of the times

Information for the nokings day of peaceful protest Saturday June 14 https://www.nokings.org/ Look at the map of locations!

Norm Larsonwrote:

Ok we’ve derailed a thread on a climbing forum again. Time to head back to the Wyoming high country.

Norm, I've been trying to figure out what peaks are in the photo, but without success. Can you enlighten me/us. I'm guessing maybe the east side of the central Winds?

Emil Briggswrote:

Easy but scenic slab problem at the Jenny lake boulders. I wanted to jump on Classic Overhang an old Gill FA I think but the boulder was covered with a large downed tree.

One of these on Red Cross?   V9 (1959)  and V8 (1958).  The Classic Overhang is between the two and is maybe V2. It had already been done by 1957 by  Dick Pownall and others. When you go into the 1950s and 1960s and earlier, records and ratings become a bit murky. 

Alan Rubinwrote:

Norm, I've been trying to figure out what peaks are in the photo, but without success. Can you enlighten me/us. I'm guessing maybe the east side of the central Winds?

It’s in the Winds Al but I’m not going to disclose where. It’s way off the radar.

M Spraguewrote:

Eh, not me. I actually kind of like riffles and shooting them though i don't own any., shotguns oddly enough I can't hit a barn door with and pistols creep me out. I definitely wouldn't want a pistol in my house with  a demented elderly person and being under a lot of stress myself. Statistically I think you are more likely to hurt/kill yourself,  a family member or somebody else that shouldn't have been shot than defend yourself against a criminal with one. If I was in a living or work situation where I felt I had to defend myself against humans with a gun I would make a big effort to move. I think reading  surroundings and avoiding situations that are likely to get you involved having to commit violence is the first and most important defense. Obviously 300 miles from the nearest village in polar bear territory I was happy to have a riffle. I am not going to be shooting somebody over a can of beans so I can live a couple days longer.  I would already be defeating who I want to be and the length of time of my being is not the most important to me (then again if the other person was an a hole and I could use the beans, maybe) 

Now if things break down further to a hellscape where the military has gone rogue and is attacking innocent civilians or it has splintered and there are marauding bands of militias, that changes things. Considering my age and lack of previous military experience, I still would probably be more useful learning medic skills or some support skill rather than being guerilla infantry. With all the technology of sensors and drones etc, thinking you are going to last being some novice Rambo with your AK-47 more than 5 minutes seems dubious. We are better off taking what we can do now  to show the majority, normal people stands against fascism more seriously and also boycotting the businesses who are supporting MAGA. Just getting out (showing outrage peacefully and without counterproductive vandalism at this stage) and showing numbers of people is important. Hopefully with enough effort we can avoid having to make poisoned pies like that elderly Ukrainian women who took out a bunch of invaders.

ps, Norm, the thread will remain strong even with interjections relevant to the needs of the times

Information for the nokings day of peaceful protest Saturday June 14 https://www.nokings.org/ Look at the map of locations!

I do hope you understood my post was meant to be absurd. 

Climbing? It's been rain, rain, and more rain. Oy. 

Thankfully, we still have beer

WF WF51wrote:

I do hope you understood my post was meant to be absurd. 

Climbing? It's been rain, rain, and more rain. Oy. 

No, I didn't know that was your intent. Hyperbolic, sure. It is not a rare attitude and we have seen so many absurdities. Thanks for the clarification.

John Gillwrote:

One of these on Red Cross?   V9 (1959)  and V8 (1958).  The Classic Overhang is between the two and is maybe V2. It had already been done by 1957 by  Dick Pownall and others. When you go into the 1950s and 1960s and earlier, records and ratings become a bit murky. 

Yes on Red Cross. MP calls this one Classic Overhang V4.

There is another one that MP calls Classic Overhang Warmup V2. The whole boulder was so covered by the fallen tree that I really couldn't tell what was what unfortunately. I did a couple of variants on the slab and tried Cutfinger Arete but wasn't able to do that one. Beautiful setting for sure.

Colden Darkwrote:

Thankfully, we still have beer

Yep.  Ditto that.  Just passed through Vernal Utah on the way to the Green River...

Ha ha.

Nice weather...if a bit hot...

Lori Milaswrote:

But lethal ‘roos. 

Only if you're wearing a red cap

M Spraguewrote:

Anybody know where I can get a bunch of cheap gold paint? I'm thinking of spraying my house with it so I can sell it to some MAGA moron for 5 million and go visit Carl. Forget climbing, I would just like to learn to write as well as he does.

Oh my goodness gracious me, thank you. I'm all hot and bothered and embarrassed now...

Nick Goldsmithwrote:

I have been involved in shooting competition for much of my life. There is a lot of standing around waiting for your turn in most competitions. Lots of time to talk. There was always a strong faction that  was  talking about someday having to defend themselves from the government. Crazy thing is that now that we actually have a government that you should feel threatened by those are the tools that that are right on the bandwagon of fck the constitution, bring on the oppression.

Yeah. When I have heard in the past the rhetoric of defending gun ownership i the US as the 'right to bear arms' and essentially citing the civil war etc I always thought 'What a strange relationship you must have with your government. Ours actually DOES things FOR us not AGAINST us (mainly)'. And I'd think 'Yeah, well, you may have two handguns and an AK47 but your government has missiles and bombs and bombers and shit and stuff and shit, good luck with defending yourself against that holed up in your little wooden Walden-like cabin in the snowy hills'.

But it seems it may soon come to that.

Hope you're all going out and buying a dog if you don't have one. Will Smith had a dog in I Am Legend and the movie wouldn't have been the same without it.

Norm Larsonwrote:

It’s in the Winds Al but I’m not going to disclose where. It’s way off the radar.

I understand!!! Wonderful that there are still such places even in a relatively popular ( though extensive) range!!! 

I’ve been continuing to read up on diet and exercise protocols for older people. Dr. Stacy Sims is everywhere these days with her specialized studies on women and particularly lifting heavy and getting in that quota of protein daily. But even the climbing podcasts and other articles all seem to head back to the protein issue and “anabolic resistance”. I haven’t seen much that disputes need for 2 g of protein per kilogram of body weight or more.  

So this article caught my eye in a runner’s magazine. A cover article on a 77 year-old runner named Jeannie Rice, who has an astonishing VO2 max and the fitness of a 25-year-old. This stood out for me:

“As continuous years of running training has been suggested to be particularly essential for aging athletes. This seems to be due to a possibly more rapid decrease in physiological parameters with prolonged rest (e.g., due to injury) in older individuals, and subsequent reduced response to training as compared with younger individuals observed in some studies.”

In other words, her ability to remain consistent has been something of a superpower. If you don’t get injured, you can continue improving and stacking one progressive training block on top of another. There’s no starting over or rebuilding required, just steady momentum.”

https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a64286969/jeannie-rice-vo2-max/

Do you mean all you have to do is not stop? This is a new thought for me and I like it – – that steady exercise can still produce increasing fitness. So could this be part of the problem for the aging population—where they get a little more slack, lose a little more muscle, get a little more slack – – slippery slope until you’re in a walker and can’t get off a chair.

I am still confronting the pervasive theory that the best is behind us, we have to make do with crumbs, you cannot get better at a sport as this age, and we are in a precipitous decline.  And yet I don’t feel that way at all. I don’t think it’s out of the question that I can do my best climbing this year.

What if Jack Lalane and John Gill had joined forces? There's be a lot more boulders with "I see the route but I can't touch the problem."

Carl Schneiderwrote:

 your government has missiles and bombs and bombers and shit and stuff and shit, good luck with defending yourself against that holed up in your little wooden Walden-like cabin in the snowy hills'.

But it seems it may soon come to that.

Hope you're all going out and buying a dog if you don't have one. Will Smith had a dog in I Am Legend and the movie wouldn't have been the same without it.

How did that work out for both the viet cong and taliban Mr Biden?

did stuff FOR you....like putting people to into camps if they didn't take a shot?

Haven't cared what a Brit or any of their affiliate states (penal colony or otherwise) thought since 1776.

I had the distinct pleasure of working with AUS SOF when they were assigned to us in Afghanistan 2005-2006 (attended ANZAK sunrise ceremony with them, still have the invite) 

But you Sir,  sound like a clown

Carl Schneiderwrote:

Yeah. When I have heard in the past the rhetoric of defending gun ownership i the US as the 'right to bear arms' and essentially citing the civil war etc I always thought 'What a strange relationship you must have with your government. Ours actually DOES things FOR us not AGAINST us (mainly)'. And I'd think 'Yeah, well, you may have two handguns and an AK47 but your government has missiles and bombs and bombers and shit and stuff and shit, good luck with defending yourself against that holed up in your little wooden Walden-like cabin in the snowy hills'.

But it seems it may soon come to that.

Hope you're all going out and buying a dog if you don't have one. Will Smith had a dog in I Am Legend and the movie wouldn't have been the same without it.

Carl for President!!!!

Lori, yes the key is don’t stop.
Many of my peers and early partners quit climbing to have families or got over involved in their careers and quit climbing always assuming that they would pick it up again. Most didn’t like how much of their skill they lost in the intervening years/decades and gave it up for good when they realized how much work it would take to get comfortable climbing again. I’ve stayed with climbing for my whole life (I’m 70 now) and while they have retirement and grandchildren I am still just a happy mediocre climber but I am still a happy persistent climber.

the classic thing you hear is of people that work hard, save a lot of money for retirement, retire and drop dead.