New and Experienced Climbers over 50 #35

Li Hu wrote:

Honestly, it’s good to hear feedback from you. Not that I agree with half what you say about politics, but it’s better to have all opinions on the table.

It’s tough being a moderate here, cause I’m hated by all sides here.  

On another note, Yoga is really great stuff! I highly recommend Planet Granite gyms (now part of Movement). Getting on the cracks and finally able to get on a 5.11- crack without whimpering THAT much. Lots of tenuous layback moves and fingertip locks. Couple partners want to get me out on “real rock” cause they think I’m ready for it.   

Hated? I don't think so, I like reading your posts. Please keep it going.

ErikaNW wrote:

Thank you for this perspective Helen! I totally agree with you.

We are booked June 2-11 in COR (site 12). Not sure if we will be there the entire time. Hope to see some of you!

We arrive 9 June. Smokey Mt site 22 (I think). There thru 19th or so.

RKM wrote:

Seriously Bob?  I’m surprised and disappointed in you - that you would arrogantly paint with such a broad brush against more than half of the US population and a high percent of readers of this thread.  I totally am proud of and support President Trump - and more importantly his administration and DOGE that have exposed the complete corruption, fraud, abuse and waste of our hard earned tax dollars.  Pretty profound and hellacious statement that WE all should ‘crawl back into our hole’.

Kim Miller

I'm 49.5. First post here after lurking on this thread for years. Yes, crawl back in your foxhole and nurture your grievances. I'd explain why, but experience - and reading a few books back in 2016 about con artists of decades past - has made me painfully aware that Trump supporters (like any victims of con artists) will go to their graves supporting Trump "even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue." 

(Edit to add: I appreciate my post is pages late and adds nothing of concrete value, but I do think it's appropriate to register dissent. I'm also not going to defend the Democratic party, as it is deeply flawed and I really do understand why a person would flirt with voting for Trump the same way they might flirt with the idea of cheating on their spouse - it's transgressive and exciting to be bad! - but a mature rational person moves on from that idea)

Rare Earth minerals aren’t “rare”, but they would be if you don’t have the ability to extract them when you need them.

https://apple.news/A5WTFooXDRQ6cYymg6-1buQ

This trade war that’s been going on for 6 years since Trump’s first term, then into Biden’s term is getting weary especially for the rest of the world which is still 55% of the world economy.

Getting sick of politicians… back to climbing.

bryans wrote:

I'm 49.5. First post here after lurking on this thread for years. Yes, crawl back in your foxhole and nurture your grievances. I'd explain why, but experience - and reading a few books back in 2016 about con artists of decades past - has made me painfully aware that Trump supporters (like any victims of con artists) will go to their graves supporting Trump "even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue."

Welcome!

And yeah, it’s tough for Trump folks to admit when wrong.

Li Hu wrote:

Welcome!

And yeah, it’s tough for Trump folks to admit when wrong.

Anyone still saying the 2020 election was stolen is definitely a lost cause.

Next time you encounter an election denier, ask them why the ‘Deep State’ didn’t steal it for Biden (oops….Harris!) last year. Then sit back and watch the perplexed look on their face, and get ready for a subject change.

apogee wrote:

Next time you encounter an election denier, ask them why the ‘Deep State’ didn’t steal it for Biden last year. Then sit back and watch the perplexed look on their face, and get ready for a subject change.

This is key. It's based on logic so extremely simple that there's no escape. Even for deeply unthinking fanatics.

I wrapped up my last trip to Pinnacles (and ended my season there) yesterday.

Wonderful success on days two and three was matched by flubbing a route on day one and complete failure yesterday in our efforts to begin re-bolting a heavily used crag with glue-ins (provided, of course, by ASCA). We did no harm, mind you. But what a comedy of errors trying to get to where we needed to be and get going.

We have a better plan now for trying again when it cools off there.

ed esmond wrote:

But how is a total a-hole, amoral, adderall addicted, adjudicated sex offender, guilty on 34 counts of cheating, reality tv character (who bankrupted 2 casinos) is the best and only solution? 

Seriously?

As a rational human, I cannot accept that self-induced chaos is the best/only solution to any problem. Chaos always exist, there's no need to increase it, if one is  really and honestly trying to solve a problem.

For some reason this comes to mind ....
Some men just want to watch the world burn

This is not a tough house. When one strays from what is true and honorable there is no peace of mind.

Emil Briggs wrote:

For some reason this comes to mind ....
Some men just want to watch the world burn

Luckily, the folks in question have deep stakes in the ground. Unearthing the rest of us will loosen the soil under themselves enough that they will lose everything as well.

Some people just don’t know how intertwined and complicated the world has become.

Guy Keesee wrote:

Ha ha ha….. to all of you wondering how I “take it” 

I really only have four words to say: Democrat Rule, Joe Biden 

I’ve lived in the depths of hell. As a Californian we have had 20 years of BS to condition me. I welcome the change.

Heck if Trumps deals don’t work out, you all can vote in the coming mid-terms. That is the American way.

Later all

ed esmond wrote:

Do you honestly believe this?

Seriously, explain it to me, like I was a Marjorie Taylor Greene voter, what exactly was wrong with "Democrat Rule, Joe Biden ..."  Be specific, general unsupported slander like "Biden crime family.." doesn't count.  Here's your chance to convince me...

I'll concede things are f'ed up...

But how is a total a-hole, amoral, adderall addicted, adjudicated sex offender, guilty on 34 counts of cheating, reality tv character (who bankrupted 2 casinos) is the best and only solution? 

Seriously?

As a rational human, I cannot accept that self-induced chaos is the best/only solution to any problem. Chaos always exist, there's no need to increase it, if one is  really and honestly trying to solve a problem.

As for your gripe about living in Cali... if it's such a hell-hole, why have you spent 20 years living there?  If it sucked so bad, any rational person would have moved somewhere "better." (I'm guessing northern Idaho is more your style...)

ed "the only  2 ways I can image bankrupting a casino is: being you're totally incompetent or you're stealing from it..." e 

I agree with Guy about some of the ridiculous laws and policies of California.  #1 being the astronomical pensions of the public employee "unions".  Those "unions" do not even meet the definition of a real union.  A real union has an opposition, usually the owner/capitalist.  Public employee unions in this state own the government. They have zero opposition, and set their own pay and pensions. Other problems: -The ridiculous price of electricity. -Should all recent undocumented immigrants really be entitled to free medical and free university, paid for by workers who can't afford their own medical plans? -Why should it be so expensive to build anything like the bullet train? I could go on.

BUT Trump does NOT solve any of the problems of California.  Federal and State are very different.  Voting republican in Federal Elections does Nothing to fix California.

I am anxious about getting on the new route again this Friday. It’s been at least six months and I haven’t stopped thinking about it. It took enormous effort before with long rests along the way.  The longer I wait the more insecure I feel about the whole thing.

The thing about stemming that I couldn’t have known was the challenge of keeping track of four limbs going four different directions at the same time.  On one attempt I got preciously close and lost my concentration for a split second and down I went.  You just have to keep your eye on everything.

On the plus side, I am stronger today than I have ever been in my life. My endurance is the best it’s ever been. I don’t know, maybe it’s the increased protein. Maybe it’s all that liver and bone broth. Maybe it’s the extra sleep.

I went with Tony to his favorite Italian restaurant in Palm Springs today. This is his happy place. I’m not interested in drinking. I don’t want a full plate of pasta. I want to climb. Healthwise I can’t do both.  I know he really misses Chicago, which apparently has the only “real hot dogs” on the planet and he doesn’t want anything else. Something about the buns with poppyseeds… but he’ll settle for gnocchi.  His homesickness is getting strong.   

during all this time with my new climbing journey I’ve kept my eye on the hourglass, assuming that any minute that last drop of sand will run out.  Maybe it won’t just yet! Why is disappointment always on my mind?

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Two of my favorite people here are Guy and Kris. I feel so uncomfortable with attacks on their morality and intelligence. I don’t know how to deal with this. I’m sure they can speak for themselves, but if it were me, I’d be gone. 

trump is what he is and supporting  him is what it is.. that is their choice.  Even here in gentle Vermont we have masked  un marked secret police disappearing people with no badge number and no due process.  

Well I wish this boulder was closer to home.  Figured out even better beta.  As happens to me too often, the “easy” move midway is still too hard when starting from the bottom, so now I have another sneaky heel toe cam and definitely an easier sequence.  Grand Canyon with the girls tomorrow, then one more day on the boulder.  If I don’t send, the good thing is that I will train harder and will cone back in cooler temps in November.

And yet…

Ward Smith wrote:

Well I wish this boulder was closer to home.  Figured out even better beta.  As happens to me too often, the “easy” move midway is still too hard when starting from the bottom, so now I have another sneaky heel toe cam and definitely an easier sequence.  Grand Canyon with the girls tomorrow, then one more day on the boulder.  If I don’t send, the good thing is that I will train harder and will cone back in cooler temps in November.

Ward, where is this subject-of-incredible-sustained-heroic-efforts boulder? I'm guessing the Flagstaff area based on the scenery and the fact that you got a dusting of snow?

Enjoy tomorrow and then best possible luck on that (magical?) last day of effort.

Brad Young wrote:

Ward, where is this subject-of-incredible-sustained-heroic-efforts boulder? I'm guessing the Flagstaff area based on the scenery and the fact that you got a dusting of snow?

Enjoy tomorrow and then best possible luck on that (magical?) last day of 

Good guess, close.  Kind of hidden in plain sight, lots of choss in the area but not here.  Long four wheel drive approach.  75 routes, maybe 50 sport from 5.4 to 12a with some 13 projects.  Lots of boulders. This is my eleventh year out here.  Lots of killer trad routes to be done.  This is a 5.11 trad flared chimney that I did onsight ground up about five years ago.  I would welcome you or anyone else on here to join me, just  not  ready to post on MP .

Wait, who is calling for people to beat it?

I've definitely told 40 year olds to beat it