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Oldtradguy · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2008 · Points: 15

Starting a new one.

Nick Goldsmith · · NEK · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 470

Carl, Yes you can climb that thing. splitter corners and cracks. 

rather sandbagged

The summit is flat and about the size of a football field

but more importantly its only about 100 miles from this

Lori Milas · · Joshua Tree, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 250

Well, here we still are. And it only gets more exciting. Several years ago I asked the question. How do we age? What exactly happens when things all go to hell? I mean specifically what is this process?

So this book, the barbell prescription, written by an ER doc and an exercise physiologist, really clarifies the aging process. I didn’t expect to be reading a book on physiology – – I just wanted to get to the good part and start lifting. But I have been wondering How it could be that I was so active during 4 summer months, hiking and scrambling for hours almost every day, and return to climbing weaker than ever and being overall much less fit. When I look in the mirror, oh gosh, things are starting to flag and sag.

So after reading an exhaustive description of ATP and ADP, the Krebbs cycle and muscle composition I understand that as we age our Type 1 slow twitch muscle fibers (endurance) remain pretty much in abundance throughout life, but the Type 2 fast twitch muscles atrophy, and lose relative mass.  

Kind of a shock to see this: endurance training and cardio training actually decreases the relative mass and number of type two (strength) fibers. So you can walk run and jog till the cows come home and just accelerate the loss of strength and power.

In other words, we are back to the prime directive “lift heavy shit“. And I understand that to mean all muscle groups from head to toe and not just those specific to climbing.

Another joyful point, we don’t actually lose muscle. “in short, aging muscle is characterized by the preferential atrophy of high-power type two fibers, and the atrophy of these fibers is disproportionately responsible for the loss of muscle mass and strength in aging. Fortunately, training in the high intensity, high power, anaerobic range, and in particular strength training, allows the masters athlete to hang onto this vulnerable population of fibers, or if they have atrophied , to return them to the land of the living, and to make them bigger and stronger.” 

So happy 2025 and, here’s to lifting heavy shit, which can only mean better climbing.    

Brad Young · · Twain Harte, CA · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 620

Nick,

We have one at Pinnacles that was named during what was perhaps a classier era. My wife Vicki on top of The Unmentionable, 1990s:

Nick Goldsmith · · NEK · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 470

That particular  spire in the needles is Named station 13. None of them have  teenage locker room names. There is the numbered spired 1 through 4, then things like The thimble, the sickle, Needles eye, tricky picket etc. 

Li Hu · · Different places · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 55
Oldtradguywrote:

Starting a new one.

Cool! Thanks!

Yesterday, first go, I had made it halfway up a 5.12c (gym grade of course), next easily led a 5.11c. Tried to mock lead a 5.12a and muffed up the second clip swinging out 20 feet to the centre of the gym greeting a family below me as they stared up at me flying above their heads.

Planning more mock leads closer to my climbing ability to push myself.

Planning campus board today. Control is key.

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276
Li Huwrote:

Cool! Thanks!

Yesterday, first go, I had made it halfway up a 5.12c (gym grade of course), next easily led a 5.11c. Tried to mock lead a 5.12a and muffed up the second clip swinging out 20 feet to the centre of the gym greeting a family below me as they stared up at me flying above their heads.

Planning more mock leads closer to my climbing ability to push myself.

Planning campus board today. Control is key.

Are climbs at that gym designed that you can swing 20 feet if you fall? Way out to the side?

Edit: Maybe the toprope for your mock lead was on a different climb than you were leading?

Idaho Bob · · McCall, ID · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 757

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzQZSXxlSZZzdfldkMSzccTfbmxK   

This is the link to the City of Rocks reservation site.  Tuesday, January 7, 8am is the date/time when reservations open for June 2025.  I expect that there will be a feeding frenzy.

phylp phylp · · Upland · Joined May 2015 · Points: 1,142
Idaho Bobwrote:

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzQZSXxlSZZzdfldkMSzccTfbmxK   

This is the link to the City of Rocks reservation site.  Tuesday, January 7, 8am is the date/time when reservations open for June 2025.  I expect that there will be a feeding frenzy.

The system reopens on Monday at 8 am mtn time, and  from the email, we can make June reservations on Tuesday. So It wasn’t clear to me if that meant midnight on Tuesday or 8 hrs later at 8 am Tuesday. 

Li Hu · · Different places · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 55
FrankPSwrote:

Are climbs at that gym designed that you can swing 20 feet if you fall? Way out to the side?

Edit: Maybe the toprope for your mock lead was on a different climb than you were leading?

Pretty much the correct climb, but it’s overhanging quite a bit.

Nick Goldsmith wrote:

Those Fucking Assholes just raised my retirement age to 67. I have been paying in since 1980. how about you give it all back right now with fucking interest.

Curious that they only just raised your age now? I’d have thought they’d needed to let you know a decade in advance? That’s horrible!

phylp phylp · · Upland · Joined May 2015 · Points: 1,142
Nick Goldsmith wrote:

Those Fucking Assholes just raised my retirement age to 67. I have been paying in since 1980. how about you give it all back right now with fucking interest. 

??  The law changing the retirement age to more than 65 for people born after a certain date was passed in 1983. I believe the 2025 adjustment only postpones those dates for an additional two months. 

dragons · · New Paltz, NY · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 958
phylp phylpwrote:

??  The law changing the retirement age to more than 65 for people born after a certain date was passed in 1983. I believe the 2025 adjustment only postpones those dates for an additional two months. 

Right!
Actually, Nick, you can retire whenever you want   and you can collect some SS income as early as age 62 (it just won't be the full benefit, so you need to figure out what your chances are).

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/explainer/full-retirement-age/#:~:text=In%201983%2C%20Congress%20increased%20the,62%20in%202022%20or%20later.

Quoting:

Individuals can claim old-age Social Security benefits as early as age 62, and monthly benefits increase as one delays claiming up to age 70, but the so-called full retirement age (FRA)—currently 67—is the age at which an individual can claim a monthly benefit equal to their primary insurance amount (PIA)... In 1983, Congress increased the full retirement age (FRA) from 65 to 67, a change phased in over the course of 33 years. This phase-in just ended, with the FRA now static at age 67 for individuals reaching age 62 in 2022 or later

Nick Goldsmith · · NEK · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 470

Those Fucking Assholes just raised my retirement age to 67. I have been paying in since 1976. how about you give it all back right now with fucking interest. 

New rules for 2025 just passed?  just read about it this morning...

 they are still fucking assholes and I want my fucking money back with interest now. 

Talking to my tax lady a few months ago it seems like if you start collecting before 65ys old you get hammed with penalties if you work and make over 20k a year  no way I could survive off SS and 20k.  after 65 if you collect and work  you do not get penalized.  I took this announcement to mean that  I will get penalized if I collect before 67?   fuckers still stole from the fund a bunch of times and now are making noise that they will cut my benefits.

Jay Goodwin · · OR-NV-CA-ID-WY · Joined May 2016 · Points: 14

Nick, it is a conspiracy against ice climbers

philip bone · · sonora · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 0

bookmark 

Brian in SLC · · Sandy, UT · Joined Oct 2003 · Points: 22,821

Nothing new since 1983 as mentioned above.  Watch congress though...there's a bunch of folks sharpening their knives to reduce the deficit.  

From the horse's mouth (?  ha ha):

SS on working while "retired"

If you're under full retirement age and elect to pull SS, your income limit without getting hammered in 2025 is $23,400.  Above that, and you lose a buck of SS income for every $2 you make above 23,400.  That's huge and no way I'd suggest anyone to do that.

Here in Utah, the Govenor has decided to take up eliminating tax on SS benefits.  I really don't see it helping folks living in poverty as they don't pay taxes anyhow...but...we'll see.

Another "thing" to watch is the tax stuff.  The TCJA is set to expire this year.  Can't say it's been a bummer...15k standard deduction this year will be pretty sweet.  But...the piper must be paid sooner or later... 

Good times...be well!

Li Hu · · Different places · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 55
Nick Goldsmithwrote:

Those Fucking Assholes just raised my retirement age to 67. I have been paying in since 1976. how about you give it all back right now with fucking interest. 

New rules for 2025 just passed?  just read about it this morning...

 they are still fucking assholes and I want my fucking money back with interest now. 

Talking to my tax lady a few months ago it seems like if you start collecting before 65ys old you get hammed with penalties if you work and make over 20k a year  no way I could survive off SS and 20k.  after 65 if you collect and work  you do not get penalized.  I took this announcement to mean that  I will get penalized if I collect before 67?   fuckers still stole from the fund a bunch of times and now are making noise that they will cut my benefits.

This really sucks! I feel for you!

Part of the reason I didn’t retire after getting RIFed along with 104 others at my previous company. Note to any prospective RIFfers management out there, they had intended to retain a skeleton crew of the “most qualified” individuals there to rebuild the company, and what had happened is all the remaining talented individuals left leaving only the political types. The company is hosed and done for. Too bad.


On topic, I believe you can use Medicare after 65, that’s key I believe?

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276

Nick,

Who do you work for? Which agency?

Idaho Bob · · McCall, ID · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 757
phylp phylpwrote:

The system reopens on Monday at 8 am mtn time, and  from the email, we can make June reservations on Tuesday. So It wasn’t clear to me if that meant midnight on Tuesday or 8 hrs later at 8 am Tuesday. 

You're likely correct on the time.  But my issue is that I haven't seen midnight in years.  FYI, we celebrate what we call Newfie New Years.  There are two time zones in Newfoundland and we use UTC-3:30.  At 8:31pm we can toast in the New Year and go to bed!

We had pizza with Renee and Tod on Thursday.  Thanks for the introduction.  Good to have them in McCall.  Hope to climb Slickrock with Tod in July.

phylp phylp · · Upland · Joined May 2015 · Points: 1,142
Idaho Bobwrote:

You're likely correct on the time.  But my issue is that I haven't seen midnight in years.  FYI, we celebrate what we call Newfie New Years.  There are two time zones in Newfoundland and we use UTC-3:30.  At 8:31pm we can toast in the New Year and go to bed!

We had pizza with Renee and Tod on Thursday.  Thanks for the introduction.  Good to have them in McCall.  Hope to climb Slickrock with Tod in July.

LOL, I agree, but I can probably, with great effort make it to 11 PM PCT, which is midnight mountain time.  In theory.

Small correction, my friend's name is Ted.  He's an excellent climber and so is Renee. She's been one of my favorite climbing partners and a great friend for decades now. You'll have a great time climbing with him. So glad it worked out that you all got to meet!

Skibo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 5

Those Fucking Assholes just raised my retirement age to 67. I have been paying in since 1976. how about you give it all back right now with fucking interest. 

New rules for 2025 just passed?  just read about it this morning...

 they are still fucking assholes and I want my fucking money back with interest now. 

Talking to my tax lady a few months ago it seems like if you start collecting before 65ys old you get hammed with penalties if you work and make over 20k a year  no way I could survive off SS and 20k.  after 65 if you collect and work  you do not get penalized.  I took this announcement to mean that  I will get penalized if I collect before 67?   fuckers still stole from the fund a bunch of times and now are making noise that they will cut my benefits.

The full retirement age is based on your date of birth, and has been that way for years.  If your full retirement age is 67, then you must have been born in 1960 (so 64 yo).  I've known for years that my full retirement age is 66 and 8 months (dob 1958), and nothing's changed.  It's simple to know what's coming:  https://www.ssa.gov/prepare/plan-retirement

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