The latest, greatest 2:1 hauling kit

Christian Schwarzer wrote:

Is there any news about the Cric performance on the big stone? Thanks!

Just repeating this. Any other feedback on the cric on a wall?

Thank you!

232g vs. 140g

I like the original version basic but to be completely fair in the comparison to the cric the new version basic is lighter. Same set up as above photo is only 171g.

I had plans to real wall test the CRIC a few weekends ago but I sent it to mark for a clinic he was holding.  My planned test would be sub par for sure given the plan was to test it on WF LT. Admittedly not the hardest testing ground.  

I don’t know that the CRIC will completely replace the traditional basic on my personal 2:1 kit,  but I am curious to give it a go.  

Anyone used this SMC apex swivel pulley ? Looks pretty similar to the rock exotica, and a good deal too...

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/6026-305/smc-apex-swivel-11-pulley?colour=Blue%2FGrey

J D wrote:

Anyone used this SMC apex swivel pulley ? Looks pretty similar to the rock exotica, and a good deal too...

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/6026-305/smc-apex-swivel-11-pulley?colour=Blue%2FGrey

I'm sure it would work, but one is over twice as heavy (and more expensive)

So does anyone have a video or photos to have this all setup and show it hauling?  Newbie here

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

Newbie to googling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B74MEcIgU_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-6W2DpXxyI

https://www.alpinesavvy.com/blog/the-2-to-1-z-pull-haul-explained

I know you were being a bit sarcastic here, but having these 3 links in one place was actually quite helpful, especially on this thread. So thanks!

One thing (either I missed it. or it hasn't been brought up yet) is why dont people use something like the Petzl Pro-trax with a swivel in a system like this?
https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Professional/Pulleys/PRO-TRAXION
This is what (I believe) is recommended when 1:1 hauling, so why wouldn't it be used in place of the micro in this system? is it because of the weight?
But if you tag your haul line/kit then the weight difference doesnt *really* matter, right?

The pro trax, being 2% more efficient and having the swivel I've heard (supposedly) that it can be 3-5% more efficient.

Kyle Pereira wrote:

I know you were being a bit sarcastic here, but having these 3 links in one place was actually quite helpful, especially on this thread. So thanks!

One thing (either I missed it. or it hasn't been brought up yet) is why dont people use something like the Petzl Pro-trax with a swivel in a system like this?
https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Professional/Pulleys/PRO-TRAXION
This is what (I believe) is recommended when 1:1 hauling, so why wouldn't it be used in place of the micro in this system? is it because of the weight?
But if you tag your haul line/kit then the weight difference doesnt *really* matter, right?

The pro trax, being 2% more efficient and having the swivel I've heard (supposedly) that it can be 3-5% more efficient.

The micro traxion pulley is never loaded while moving. It could be a catch with the rope running over a biner (no pulley) and almost nothing would change. Most folks use a micro trax because it has an easy to disable lock, doesn't "rock" in a way where you lose a progress each pump. Once you have those features, it doesn't really matter what device you use.

Luke Lalor wrote:

The micro traxion pulley is never loaded while moving. It could be a catch with the rope running over a biner (no pulley) and almost nothing would change. Most folks use a micro trax because it has an easy to disable lock, doesn't "rock" in a way where you lose a progress each pump. Once you have those features, it doesn't really matter what device you use.

That totally makes sense. This is why the pulley in in the system needs to be able to rotate (via webbing or swivel). since thats the one being loaded. makes sense!

One more thing I've noticed that hasn't been discussed much but is actually a game changer in my mind is adding a petzl connect adjust on your z cord instead of the 2 carabineer clove hitched, not really any weight added since you just need one binder now, and allows you to fine tune your position, so many time I'm just too lazy to adjust the clove hitch, but sometimes that 2 inch difference give you a much more comfy and efficient position, with the adjust on the z cord you can play with it and adjust it perfect right away, and shorten it for the last few pulls to bring the bags just a bit closer.

I’m working on dialing in my haul kit. Thoughts on Petzl Pur line as a zed cord? How about Sterling Powercord? Both are available by the foot at my local shop.

Also, re: the top pulley—am I really giving up much using a nice high efficiency prusik minding pulley (the bell-shaped kind with swinging side plates) tied with a short loop of Sterling 9/16” webbing, compared to one of these SMC/Rock Exotica rigs with the built in pulley?

Thanks for any advice/insights. 

Slim Pickens wrote:

I’m working on dialing in my haul kit. Thoughts on Petzl Pur line as a zed cord? How about Sterling Powercord? Both are available by the foot at my local shop.

Also, re: the top pulley—am I really giving up much using a nice high efficiency prusik minding pulley (the bell-shaped kind with swinging side plates) tied with a short loop of Sterling 9/16” webbing, compared to one of these SMC/Rock Exotica rigs with the built in pulley?

Thanks for any advice/insights. 

Coolness factor, yes, efficiency/functionality, maybe a bit but not enough that you’ll notice. 

J D wrote:

One more thing I've noticed that hasn't been discussed much but is actually a game changer in my mind is adding a petzl connect adjust on your z cord instead of the 2 carabineer clove hitched, not really any weight added since you just need one binder now, and allows you to fine tune your position, so many time I'm just too lazy to adjust the  clove hitch, but sometimes that 2 inch difference give you a much more comfy and efficient position, with the adjust on the z cord you can play with it and adjust it perfect right away, and shorten it for the last few pulls to bring the bags just a bit closer.

This is sort of a good idea! 

Mark Hudon wrote:

This is sort of a good idea! 

I’ve been using a petzl adjust on the z cord for a few years and encouraging others in the valley to do the same. Everyone who has tried is immediately converted. I think it’s a game changer because it makes it so easy to dial in your haul stance from “good enough” to “perfect.”

Michael Vaill wrote:

I’ve been using a petzl adjust on the z cord for a few years and encouraging others in the valley to do the same. Everyone who has tried is immediately converted. I think it’s a game changer because it makes it so easy to dial in your haul stance from “good enough” to “perfect.”

Yeah, I’m going to try it next spring. 

Michael Vaill wrote:

I’ve been using a petzl adjust on the z cord for a few years and encouraging others in the valley to do the same. Everyone who has tried is immediately converted. I think it’s a game changer because it makes it so easy to dial in your haul stance from “good enough” to “perfect.”

Are you bringing another "Adjust" or using an existing daisy like the Petzl Duel Connect. I've always found the Single Adjust to be too short for aid climbing, but I could see it being a nice feature for a free endeavor...

Jason Antin wrote:

Are you bringing another "Adjust" or using an existing daisy like the Petzl Duel Connect. I've always found the Single Adjust to be too short for aid climbing, but I could see it being a nice feature for a free endeavor...

I use a thin low stretch spectra z-cord as recommended by Mark and others. You just slide the petzl adjust hardware onto it. You can buy the overpriced petzl hardware and throw out the included cord, or find an alternative. Google “rock climbing arrestor ascender” and you’ll find options. After all, it’s just a cast piece of aluminum.

Note about the common knockoff online: it doesn’t release under tension as easily as the petzl so I wouldn’t recommend it for leading. Although, if you’re a real aid climber, im sure you’re already using an alfifi.

I always tied the z cord off with a munter mule.  I never understood the use of a clove hitch.  Seems like a connect could be nice but I guess I don't feel like I change the z cord nearly enough to warrant it.

Michael Vaill wrote:

I use a thin low stretch spectra z-cord as recommended by Mark and others. You just slide the petzl adjust hardware onto it. You can buy the overpriced petzl hardware and throw out the included cord, or find an alternative. Google “rock climbing arrestor ascender” and you’ll find options. After all, it’s just a cast piece of aluminum.

Note about the common knockoff online: it doesn’t release under tension as easily as the petzl so I wouldn’t recommend it for leading. Although, if you’re a real aid climber, im sure you’re already using an alfifi.

It would be a lot cheaper to buy a KONG Slyde for $10.  Might be worth trying out.