The latest, greatest 2:1 hauling kit

Is there any news about the Cric performance on the big stone? Thanks!

I bought a cric because I accidentally hucked my pulley off the last wall I did. I climbed the nose last week and it is pretty darn similar.

To take advantage of the shorter height I think I need a shorter draw. I noticed I hit the micro with chord in the bank so to speak, I use a short trad draw so perhaps the steel draw is different.

It is harder to “back haul” to dock, since the little chord to disengage the progress capture isn’t as easy find/use as just opening the teeth with your thumb, I just used a gri gri to dock most pitches.

dropping it did not seem like a huge concern you only need to open it a little to put it on the rope. After the wall I tied a bit of chord through the carabiner holes to make it impossible to drop. I have not tried this in action though.

It got stuck less. The pulley/ascender basic combo would sometimes get hooked on an aider or gear (user error to some extent I am sure, my anchors are not as clean as some of yours), but it felt like this happened less with the cric. Perhaps I’m just getting more organized though (or had less of a faf show since I was on an easy route).

Skot Richards wrote: https://www.mcmaster.com/3790t11 

I use the 3/16” diameter.   

Do you have any extra laying around? Mark told me to ask. It’s like $17 for shipping!

Nic Lazz wrote:

Do you have any extra laying around? Mark told me to ask. It’s like $17 for shipping!

Zed cords are normally available on my site.
skotswallgear.com 

But right now they are out of stock and I’m going to the valley this weekend.  I’ll restock them next week 

Skot Richards wrote:

Zed cords are normally available on my site.
skotswallgear.com 

But right now they are out of stock and I’m going to the valley this weekend.  I’ll restock them next week 

Hell yeah. Also how big is the bag for the haul kit? Thanks! 

Chalk bag (black and green) and Gri Gri for scale.

the petzl pro traxion can fit inside the purple 2:1 kit bag as well. 

Nic Lazz wrote:

Hell yeah. Also how big is the bag for the haul kit? Thanks! 

Mine is approximately: 5.5” diameter x 6.75” tall

Edit:  This is the model intended for the 2:1 hauling kit, available at SkotsWallGear.com  (I prefer this size for hooks as well ). 

Brian R wrote:

Mine is approximately: 5.5” diameter x 6.75” tall

Thanks! Very helpful!

Nic Lazz wrote:

Do you have any extra laying around? Mark told me to ask. It’s like $17 for shipping!

Nic, I've got a chunk about 15 feet long I don't need. I'll send you a DM.

Ken Tubbs wrote:

Nic, I've got a chunk about 15 feet long I don't need. I'll send you a DM.

Thanks a ton Ken!

Christian Schwarzer wrote:

Is there any news about the Cric performance on the big stone? Thanks!

Just repeating this. Any other feedback on the cric on a wall?

Thank you!

232g vs. 140g

I like the original version basic but to be completely fair in the comparison to the cric the new version basic is lighter. Same set up as above photo is only 171g.

I had plans to real wall test the CRIC a few weekends ago but I sent it to mark for a clinic he was holding.  My planned test would be sub par for sure given the plan was to test it on WF LT. Admittedly not the hardest testing ground.  

I don’t know that the CRIC will completely replace the traditional basic on my personal 2:1 kit,  but I am curious to give it a go.  

Anyone used this SMC apex swivel pulley ? Looks pretty similar to the rock exotica, and a good deal too...

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/6026-305/smc-apex-swivel-11-pulley?colour=Blue%2FGrey

J D wrote:

Anyone used this SMC apex swivel pulley ? Looks pretty similar to the rock exotica, and a good deal too...

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/6026-305/smc-apex-swivel-11-pulley?colour=Blue%2FGrey

I'm sure it would work, but one is over twice as heavy (and more expensive)

So does anyone have a video or photos to have this all setup and show it hauling?  Newbie here

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

Newbie to googling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B74MEcIgU_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-6W2DpXxyI

https://www.alpinesavvy.com/blog/the-2-to-1-z-pull-haul-explained

I know you were being a bit sarcastic here, but having these 3 links in one place was actually quite helpful, especially on this thread. So thanks!

One thing (either I missed it. or it hasn't been brought up yet) is why dont people use something like the Petzl Pro-trax with a swivel in a system like this?
https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Professional/Pulleys/PRO-TRAXION
This is what (I believe) is recommended when 1:1 hauling, so why wouldn't it be used in place of the micro in this system? is it because of the weight?
But if you tag your haul line/kit then the weight difference doesnt *really* matter, right?

The pro trax, being 2% more efficient and having the swivel I've heard (supposedly) that it can be 3-5% more efficient.

Kyle Pereira wrote:

I know you were being a bit sarcastic here, but having these 3 links in one place was actually quite helpful, especially on this thread. So thanks!

One thing (either I missed it. or it hasn't been brought up yet) is why dont people use something like the Petzl Pro-trax with a swivel in a system like this?
https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Professional/Pulleys/PRO-TRAXION
This is what (I believe) is recommended when 1:1 hauling, so why wouldn't it be used in place of the micro in this system? is it because of the weight?
But if you tag your haul line/kit then the weight difference doesnt *really* matter, right?

The pro trax, being 2% more efficient and having the swivel I've heard (supposedly) that it can be 3-5% more efficient.

The micro traxion pulley is never loaded while moving. It could be a catch with the rope running over a biner (no pulley) and almost nothing would change. Most folks use a micro trax because it has an easy to disable lock, doesn't "rock" in a way where you lose a progress each pump. Once you have those features, it doesn't really matter what device you use.

Luke Lalor wrote:

The micro traxion pulley is never loaded while moving. It could be a catch with the rope running over a biner (no pulley) and almost nothing would change. Most folks use a micro trax because it has an easy to disable lock, doesn't "rock" in a way where you lose a progress each pump. Once you have those features, it doesn't really matter what device you use.

That totally makes sense. This is why the pulley in in the system needs to be able to rotate (via webbing or swivel). since thats the one being loaded. makes sense!