The latest, greatest 2:1 hauling kit

Skot Richardswrote: https://www.mcmaster.com/3790t11 

I use the 3/16” diameter.   

Do you have any extra laying around? Mark told me to ask. It’s like $17 for shipping!

Nic Lazzwrote:

Do you have any extra laying around? Mark told me to ask. It’s like $17 for shipping!

Zed cords are normally available on my site.
skotswallgear.com 

But right now they are out of stock and I’m going to the valley this weekend.  I’ll restock them next week 

Skot Richardswrote:

Zed cords are normally available on my site.
skotswallgear.com 

But right now they are out of stock and I’m going to the valley this weekend.  I’ll restock them next week 

Hell yeah. Also how big is the bag for the haul kit? Thanks! 

Chalk bag (black and green) and Gri Gri for scale.

the petzl pro traxion can fit inside the purple 2:1 kit bag as well. 

Nic Lazzwrote:

Hell yeah. Also how big is the bag for the haul kit? Thanks! 

Mine is approximately: 5.5” diameter x 6.75” tall

Edit:  This is the model intended for the 2:1 hauling kit, available at SkotsWallGear.com  (I prefer this size for hooks as well ). 

Brian Rwrote:

Mine is approximately: 5.5” diameter x 6.75” tall

Thanks! Very helpful!

Nic Lazzwrote:

Do you have any extra laying around? Mark told me to ask. It’s like $17 for shipping!

Nic, I've got a chunk about 15 feet long I don't need. I'll send you a DM.

Ken Tubbswrote:

Nic, I've got a chunk about 15 feet long I don't need. I'll send you a DM.

Thanks a ton Ken!

Christian Schwarzerwrote:

Is there any news about the Cric performance on the big stone? Thanks!

Just repeating this. Any other feedback on the cric on a wall?

Thank you!

232g vs. 140g

I like the original version basic but to be completely fair in the comparison to the cric the new version basic is lighter. Same set up as above photo is only 171g.

I had plans to real wall test the CRIC a few weekends ago but I sent it to mark for a clinic he was holding.  My planned test would be sub par for sure given the plan was to test it on WF LT. Admittedly not the hardest testing ground.  

I don’t know that the CRIC will completely replace the traditional basic on my personal 2:1 kit,  but I am curious to give it a go.  

Anyone used this SMC apex swivel pulley ? Looks pretty similar to the rock exotica, and a good deal too...

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/6026-305/smc-apex-swivel-11-pulley?colour=Blue%2FGrey

J Dwrote:

Anyone used this SMC apex swivel pulley ? Looks pretty similar to the rock exotica, and a good deal too...

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/6026-305/smc-apex-swivel-11-pulley?colour=Blue%2FGrey

I'm sure it would work, but one is over twice as heavy (and more expensive)

So does anyone have a video or photos to have this all setup and show it hauling?  Newbie here

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

Newbie to googling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B74MEcIgU_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-6W2DpXxyI

https://www.alpinesavvy.com/blog/the-2-to-1-z-pull-haul-explained

I know you were being a bit sarcastic here, but having these 3 links in one place was actually quite helpful, especially on this thread. So thanks!

One thing (either I missed it. or it hasn't been brought up yet) is why dont people use something like the Petzl Pro-trax with a swivel in a system like this?
https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Professional/Pulleys/PRO-TRAXION
This is what (I believe) is recommended when 1:1 hauling, so why wouldn't it be used in place of the micro in this system? is it because of the weight?
But if you tag your haul line/kit then the weight difference doesnt *really* matter, right?

The pro trax, being 2% more efficient and having the swivel I've heard (supposedly) that it can be 3-5% more efficient.

Kyle Pereirawrote:

I know you were being a bit sarcastic here, but having these 3 links in one place was actually quite helpful, especially on this thread. So thanks!

One thing (either I missed it. or it hasn't been brought up yet) is why dont people use something like the Petzl Pro-trax with a swivel in a system like this?
https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Professional/Pulleys/PRO-TRAXION
This is what (I believe) is recommended when 1:1 hauling, so why wouldn't it be used in place of the micro in this system? is it because of the weight?
But if you tag your haul line/kit then the weight difference doesnt *really* matter, right?

The pro trax, being 2% more efficient and having the swivel I've heard (supposedly) that it can be 3-5% more efficient.

The micro traxion pulley is never loaded while moving. It could be a catch with the rope running over a biner (no pulley) and almost nothing would change. Most folks use a micro trax because it has an easy to disable lock, doesn't "rock" in a way where you lose a progress each pump. Once you have those features, it doesn't really matter what device you use.

Luke Lalorwrote:

The micro traxion pulley is never loaded while moving. It could be a catch with the rope running over a biner (no pulley) and almost nothing would change. Most folks use a micro trax because it has an easy to disable lock, doesn't "rock" in a way where you lose a progress each pump. Once you have those features, it doesn't really matter what device you use.

That totally makes sense. This is why the pulley in in the system needs to be able to rotate (via webbing or swivel). since thats the one being loaded. makes sense!

One more thing I've noticed that hasn't been discussed much but is actually a game changer in my mind is adding a petzl connect adjust on your z cord instead of the 2 carabineer clove hitched, not really any weight added since you just need one binder now, and allows you to fine tune your position, so many time I'm just too lazy to adjust the clove hitch, but sometimes that 2 inch difference give you a much more comfy and efficient position, with the adjust on the z cord you can play with it and adjust it perfect right away, and shorten it for the last few pulls to bring the bags just a bit closer.

Slim Pickens wrote:

I’m working on dialing in my haul kit. Thoughts on Petzl Pur line as a zed cord? How about Sterling Powercord? Both are available by the foot at my local shop.

Also, re: the top pulley—am I really giving up much using a nice high efficiency prusik minding pulley (the bell-shaped kind with swinging side plates) tied with a short loop of Sterling 9/16” webbing, compared to one of these SMC/Rock Exotica rigs with the built in pulley?

Thanks for any advice/insights. 

Coolness factor, yes, efficiency/functionality, maybe a bit but not enough that you’ll notice.