Fix Old Routes Before Bolting New Climbs

Kinda grinds my gears when people bolt new “not classic” climbs when a bunch of old climbs need to have their gear replaced. Rant over.

You could always learn how to replace hardware yourself.  It's not rocket science.

If you want something done right, have someone else do it.

I agree, you should definitely rebolt old climbs before you bolt new routes. Let us know when you get one done. 

Pineapple Fan Girlwrote:

Kinda grinds my gears when people bolt new “not classic” climbs when a bunch of old climbs need to have their gear replaced. Rant over.

You must be new around here cause you do not seem to know how it works.

Allen Sandersonwrote:

You must be new around here cause you do not seem to know how it works.

Resisting the urge to suggest bolting Snake Dike instead of bolting new routes, just to get people riled up.

You're annoyed that someone isn't doing more.  That's the point of this post.  Got it.  

Apparently 10 people agree with me if we trust the thumbs up button, so it’s not that unpopular of an opinion.

Pineapple Fan Girlwrote:

Apparently 10 people agree with me if we trust the thumbs up button, so it’s not that unpopular of an opinion.

Popularity of your post isn't a factor in how things work.

Unless you're climbing in a very rare pay-to-play climbing area, the bolts you're clipping were put in by someone who did it on their own time. They paid for the bolts out of their own pocket. They'll put those bolts where they please. You have no room to request something be done differently unless you want to do it yourself. At that point your post isn't relevant because you can just go replace the old bolts on the classics you speak of. 

Your sense of entitlement in your post is a bit gross. 

Pineapple Fan Girlwrote:

Apparently 10 people agree with me if we trust the thumbs up button, so it’s not that unpopular of an opinion.

Go away bot

The ASCA has an open ear to knowledgeable suggestions.  Your local gear shop can help you, too, in finding ways to help the cause.

Money donated speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. 'Give', 'Donate', and 'Volunteer' are highly respected verbs.

It IS best to leave such talented toils to professionals who are trusted to carry out quality work. 

If you trad climb, you empower yourself to decide the quality of your protection, each and every clip!

Great, another generic bolting whine.

Puppies and pineapples, trolling and bolting
These are just some of my favorite things

^^^

I need another verse over here!!!!

This sounds like the idea of someone who hasn't done any bolting. 

A great majority of the routes I've done are in more obscure areas closer to home. It's the adventure of it that appeals to me. Hike out to a blank canvas. Find the best lines. Figure out the puzzle of where to put the bolts to protect the cruxes and provide good clipping stances. Bypass some climbs altogether because they aren't quality. 

If I lived near a big popular climbing area I'd do more rebolting. But when I'm there for a few weekends a year I'm not spending all my time working on community service. 

Pineapple Fan Girlwrote:

Apparently 10 people agree with me if we trust the thumbs up button, so it’s not that unpopular of an opinion.

Pineapple Fan Girlwrote:

Kinda grinds my gears when people bolt new “not classic” climbs when a bunch of old climbs need to have their gear replaced. Rant over.

Lots of us do both 

I believe that if someone is going out to bolt, whether it's for rebolting or establishing a new route, the most logical choice is to focus on bolting or rebolting the best climbs.

With the proliferation of poorly done routes alongside excellent old ones, it seems to me that some developers are more interested in the glory of first ascents than in creating quality climbs. Perhaps we need to better recognize those who rebolt, but I often see new three-bolt, one-star climbs appearing next to neglected nine-bolt, three-star climbs.

I maybe should have worded the thread better but maybe we should recognize good rebolting or bolting rather than just first ascents.

Find a local scene of route setters/maintainers 

Volunteer your time in assisting them and or your money in replacing bolts. 

Hardware isn't free and these are not people with unlimited time to just go replace bolts whenever they get the slightest inkling to do so. 

If you're not just a troll and you want things to improve/change why not take the first step and involve yourself? 

I haven't posted for almost 2 years to these forums.  

I always laugh when people say stuff like "they should rebolt climbs that need it!"

Pineapple Fan Girl, by being a member of the climbing community, you are now officially a "they." Buy a drill and get to fixing some routes!