Dogs to not be allowed off leash at Indian Creek?

Yep, you read that right. The newly proposed Resource Management Plan state on page 160 that:

Pet management (BENM-wide) 

• Pets would be leashed at all times, unless in the lawful pursuit of game. This would not apply during permitted uses such as herding, hunting, search and rescue, and service dogs. 

• Pets would not be allowed in the Cedar Mesa Backpacking Sub-Area, Doll House and additional sites designated by the agencies, in collaboration with the BEC (Bears Ears Commission)

The plan also includes some ambiguous language for an approval process for establishing new routes. It also includes a plan to not allow dispersed camping within 0.5 miles of developed recreation sites (dispersed camping near Hamburger Rock would go away). There are some limits that would be placed on OHV travel as well. The plan would also prohibit recreational shooting, unless in the case of lawful pursuit of game. I encourage folks who climb in the Creek to take a good look at it. 

There is a pretty thorough discussion here, but posting to the general climbing forum to increase visibility. 

Big talk.  Now let's see it be enforced.  If it's anything like EVERY OTHER AREA I'VE EVER CLIMBED at, there's a rule, but it's NEVER enforced.

Sounds fair to me now that it's an international destination

Bruno's not gonna like this. 

My crag dog is the best crag dog and he shall not be leashed by the government.

honestly it’s kind of crazy with all the dogs. I’m pro leash in Indian creek. Also stop leaving your shit on the side of the trail in a bag. Make a groove tube for you dog shit. A talenti container works great. Eat gelato. 

Click bait title to get the dog nazis all worked up and frothing, but y'all should read up on the other restrictions proposed in this package.

Also no fires outside of fire rings/fire pans, even in dispersed sites

What if I am using my dog to hunt unlawfully off leash dogs?

Sounds great!!! Dogs are a menace to a fragile, peaceful desert environment. 

Took long enough. I know they won't enforce it but at least now I have something more substantial to back my griping with when I see dogs running amok in the crypto. Curious to see how the other proposals will impact our access, but at least this is one positive.

Brandon Rwrote:

Click bait title to get the dog nazis all worked up and frothing, but y'all should read up on the other restrictions proposed in this package.

I have no dog in this fight ;), but are “dog nazis” the people who are pro crag-dog for forcing their unleashed dog on everyone else, or who are anti-crag dog for having no chill? I could see it both ways.

leave ur dogs at home......selfish people trying to make themselves feel better by including their little buddy that will get in eveyone's way as the owner says, "the dog is a really nice one", as it charges forward at you on a small trail and well if ya just left the damn pet at home there would be NO problems at the crags......Pretty simple...

+1 to Jim A!!!

What if your dog is actually nice?

Erik Misiakwrote:

What if your dog is actually nice?

Just cause they are nice to their masters doesn’t mean they are nice to strangers in a novel location.

John Clarkwrote:

Just cause they are nice to their masters doesn’t mean they are nice to strangers in a novel location.

What if they are nice to strangers in novel locations?

Erik Misiakwrote:

What if they are nice to strangers in novel locations?

Just submit proof of this before you arrive. An owner's sincere, heartfelt assurance is sufficient. 

I have no problem with some of the mentioned restrictions like a camping ban near established campgrounds, no recreational shooting etc. the place is just too busy now to have totally hands off management strategy given the delicate nature of the ecosystem. Dogs on leashing also doesn't bother me. This is the same for me as the parking lot at supercrack: the need is very clear and most of the opposition is actually not soberly against the parking lot as a management or preservation tactic, but hand wringing that the place you knew and loved is now very different. That is sad, but it's misguided to fight those feelings by obstructing necessary accommodations for the now-large numbers. The facts are what they are and need to be dealt with regardless of how we feel about those facts. I feel the same about the restrictions mentioned in the plan. 

BIG HOWEVER: if we are doing this stuff in the name of conservation, it would be great to see work put toward more infrastructure like toilets. I know this isn't a real negotiation since pit toilets are expensive to maintain and saying "no camping here" is free, but I think that should be fought for by us users. I would happily donate money specifically to that (on top of donations to FOIC)

In a valley full of open range cattle, i love the idea that it's the dogs we need to worry about hurting the eco system

new yosemitesamwrote:

In a valley full of open range cattle, i love the idea that it's the dogs we need to worry about hurting the eco system

Either, or. 

Erik Misiakwrote:

What if your dog is actually nice?

Like the nice dog who bit me at the crag?  Or the nice dog who bit me on the mountain bike?  It was reassuring to have the owner tell me he usually doesn't do that.  Leave it at home.