Thumbs Down

Tradibanwrote:

How do we know Chad Miller is your real name? Sounds like a bot name.

I am not the bot you’re looking for. 

the thing about thumbs down is, over time it puts a lot of wear and tear on your shoulders.  i agree with croft, thumbs up is like the volvo of climbing.

Tradibanwrote:

How do we know Chad Miller is your real name? Sounds like a bot name.

Easy. Do what the kids are doing these days. A quick google search and Chad Miller checks out as real.

Tradiban, on the other hand,… search shows a beer guzzlin master troll & no name.

How bout we just get rid of thumbs up. No thumbs down. And we go back to simple dialogue ya know, speaking your opinions. Problem is the softies are getting butt hurt too bad. 

Abend, we currently have something even more satisfying and demoralizing than a thumbs down button: the thumbs up button on the reply comment that says "1/10" or "are u a bot?"

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

Considering the Thumbs Up feature is irrelevant because it serves no function on the site for anything except scoring the Meme Thread, who cares? Unless it comes with a vote up/down ranking/filtering function a la Reddit, it begs the question of why?        

All I heard was make the site like REDDIT.    

Chad Millerwrote:

All I heard was make the site like REDDIT.    

where was that thumbs down button again?

Michael Rushwrote:

Easy. Do what the kids are doing these days. A quick google search and Chad Miller checks out as real.

Tradiban, on the other hand,… search shows a beer guzzlin master troll & no name.

How bout we just get rid of thumbs up. No thumbs down. And we go back to simple dialogue ya know, speaking your opinions. Problem is the softies are getting butt hurt too bad. 

You may be referring to my scotch guzzling? Beer is so…..sport climber.

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

Considering the Thumbs Up feature is irrelevant because it serves no function on the site for anything except scoring the Meme Thread, who cares? 

I disagree that it serves no purpose.  In both personal and business settings, it has been conclusively shown that one of things that is perceived with the highest value is being thanked for something.  The thumbs up button is a way of thanking the contributor for their words.  It's like Ted Lasso saying "I appreciate you".

I use it liberally.  There are so many nasty, trolling, and sometimes downright stupid posts that when I see a post I like, I feel I want to let the people who are adding value to my experience, know it.

phylp phylpwrote:

I disagree that it serves no purpose.  In both personal and business settings, it has been conclusively shown that one of things that is perceived with the highest value is being thanked for something.  The thumbs up button is a way of thanking the contributor for their words.  It's like Ted Lasso saying "I appreciate you".

I use it liberally.  There are so many nasty, trolling, and sometimes downright stupid posts that when I see a post I like, I feel I want to let the people who are adding value to my experience, know it.

I'm the opposite, i still believe its more meaningful to actually thank someone with words. I also feel as if some people post words in such a way in order to get "thumbs up" instead of actually posting what they really feel at that moment. Similar to many artists focusing on whats popular at the moment instead of actually coming up with something original. I believe it boils down to encouraging groupthink/conformity.

I’m all for the dice rolling idea… I think that sounds lovely. As if Mp is not addictive enough already. We need to add a gambling aspect to it.

M Mwrote:

I'm the opposite, i still believe its more meaningful to actually thank someone with words. 

Yes, it is more meaningful.  Just as it's more meaningful to disagree with words.   Of course, these days on MP there's a posting limit, so good discussions as well as nasty arguments are quashed.  You can't discredit bad ideas without your post being flagged and removed.   And arguing with a troll is like stepping in deep soft mud; you just have to pull your foot out, walk away and leave your boot there.  

Similar to many artists focusing on whats popular at the moment instead of actually coming up with something original. I believe it boils down to encouraging groupthink/conformity.

I agree and what's popular now is "if you can't say something positive, don't say anything at all."   But of course, reality isn't like that.  There's good and bad.  People get fired from their jobs.  People get T-boned when an uninsured motorist runs a red light.  Gear fails, belayers fail and climbers hit the deck.  And on MP novices and trolls post bullshit and it's pointless to argue with words.  

Gimme a Thumbs Down button.

Thumbs down really limits your range of motion but sometimes it is the more secure jam.

ryan climbs sometimes wrote:

Would tradiban thrive more or less with a thumbs down button? Perhaps we will never truly know 

That’s an excellent question “ryan”. Many misunderstand the psychology and most of the time, it’s all too easy. Nawmean?

John Byrneswrote:

Yes, it is more meaningful.  Just as it's more meaningful to disagree with words.   Of course, these days on MP there's a posting limit, so good discussions as well as nasty arguments are quashed.  You can't discredit bad ideas without your post being flagged and removed.   And arguing with a troll is like stepping in deep soft mud; you just have to pull your foot out, walk away and leave your boot there.  

I agree and what's popular now is "if you can't say something positive, don't say anything at all."   But of course, reality isn't like that.  There's good and bad.  People get fired from their jobs.  People get T-boned when an uninsured motorist runs a red light.  Gear fails, belayers fail and climbers hit the deck.  And on MP novices and trolls post bullshit and it's pointless to argue with words.  

Gimme a Thumbs Down button.

I used to be all for it, still kinda am for it but honestly I'd rather see it all go away. 

Use your words like you were taught.

Don't be scared to say something you think even if it may be unpopular.

Confrontation is human, we are usually all better off from it.

Plus I see our country's politics becoming so disconnected that the people we elect choose to ignore talks with the other side (while at work) in favor of preaching to the choir on Twitter for "likes".

M Mwrote:

I used to be all for it, still kinda am for it but honestly I'd rather see it all go away. 

Use your words like you were taught.

Don't be scared to say something you think even if it may be unpopular.

Confrontation is human, we are usually all better off from it.

Plus I see our country's politics becoming so disconnected that the people we elect choose to ignore talks with the other side (while at work) in favor of preaching to the choir on Twitter for "likes".

In all seriousness the thumbs down would probably have a chilling effect (not on me of course), causing “vanilla” comments to proliferate.

M Mwrote:

Don't be scared to say something you think even if it may be unpopular. Confrontation is human, we are usually all better off from it.

I agree wholeheartedly but modern Society does not.  Confrontation is strongly discouraged.  Even asking "Why?" is considered intimidation for something as simple as "Why did you change your parking policy?"    Or worse, confronting someone who doesn't do their job, "Isn't that what you're paid to do?"  That'll get you thrown out.

Plus I see our country's politics becoming so disconnected that the people we elect choose to ignore talks with the other side (while at work) in favor of preaching to the choir on Twitter for "likes".

Oh oh!  Can't comment on that or my post will be removed for not being in the Politics forum.   But let me say this:  Any elected official who publically states "I (we) will not compromise on this issue" should be immediately removed from office since our governmental system is built upon confrontation and compromise.  

John Byrnes wrote:

But let me say this:  Any elected official who publically states "I (we) will not compromise on this issue" should be immediately removed from office since our governmental system is built upon confrontation and compromise.  

I 100% agree with this statement.  At some point we started rewarding the act of digging in one's heels. Maybe we always have actually, but it's super unhelpful in a democracy.  You hit the nail on the head.  Everytime I hear "I'm not backing down!" from any US politician I die a little on the inside.

John Byrneswrote:I agree wholeheartedly but modern Society does not.  Confrontation is strongly discouraged.  Even asking "Why?" is considered intimidation for something as simple as "Why did you change your parking policy?"    Or worse, confronting someone who doesn't do their job, "Isn't that what you're paid to do?"  That'll get you thrown out.

I 1% agree with this statement.  Raised by Christian nationalists, I was always encouraged to ask why and to confront uncomfortable ideas, at home, at school.  Today, identifying as a woke progressive, I still only ever get encouragement from people I trust to ask why and to confront uncomfortable ideas.  

I find that when I ask why or confront someone/something- the response I get is mostly based on my tone, my word choice, my prejudgement.  If I approach a situation from an agitated, aggressive, pre-judged stance I get push-back.  When I approach from a neutral, open minded stance I get a positive response in the majority of cases. A smile and a "hi, what's your day been like?", before "confronting" have yielded consistently positive results. 

To be clear- I fail nearly 100% of the time to be neutral and open minded on MP and online.  The anonymity of the internet is a powerful toxin.  And any thumbs up/down buttons are even more anonymous than written posts.  Maybe MP will one day require ID verification, no more silly user names (looking at you Tradi)- only real names like you and I have opted for John.  Knowing anyone can search my real name, and real city of residence makes me write and re-write my contributions often.  Though again, I fail so many times at being a helpful voice on the forums.

Genuinely curious John, what sort of concrete events or examples have you in this mindset?  Are you thinking about personal experiences or what we're fed by social and traditional media? 

I can see a lot of us who don't deny the validity of uncomfortable science being pretty fed up with folks who... don't believe in science when it makes them uncomfortable, including some of my loved ones.  Do you think the embrace of the outright denial of objective truth is a source of the intolerance of confrontation you see around you?

Simplest reason to not have a thumbs down button, is it lets people be jerks. Anonymously. If you think people won't pile on if someone makes a cruel comment, especially when it can be done so anonymously, well, I'd like to know what universe you're residing in.

The thumbs up is already used by anonymous giggling jerkoffs when the opportunity arises to agree with unkind remarks. My vote is make the identities known, in the same way one can see who is grading a route. That last, knowing who gives a route what rating, is actually helpful. When a name I know says something, that gives the opinion more weight. Similarly, I'd like to know who is hiding behind those buttons. Being a coward. Or, extending a kindness. That's also good intel.

As to user names and aliases?

Sigh.

It isn't always in a person's best interest to make it even easier to be harassed or stalked. Why does this have to be pointed out to you guys over and over?

As to speaking up and voicing opinions, yet keeping a conversation open and civil?

Yeah, I agree with you, John Byrnes, it's a sadly dying art in general, politics in particular, and I personally greatly miss statesmanship. Entrenched "them" vs "us" is never helpful. Ever. If it truly gets to that, just shoot the fycker. 

Or yourself.

Best, Helen

Old lady Hwrote:

Simplest reason to not have a thumbs down button, is it lets people be jerks. Anonymously. If you think people won't pile on if someone makes a cruel comment, especially when it can be done so anonymously, well, I'd like to know what universe you're residing in.

The thumbs up is already used by anonymous giggling jerkoffs when the opportunity arises to agree with unkind remarks. My vote is make the identities known, in the same way one can see who is grading a route. That last, knowing who gives a route what rating, is actually helpful. When a name I know says something, that gives the opinion more weight. Similarly, I'd like to know who is hiding behind those buttons. Being a coward. Or, extending a kindness. That's also good intel.

As to user names and aliases?

Sigh.

It isn't always in a person's best interest to make it even easier to be harassed or stalked. Why does this have to be pointed out to you guys over and over?

As to speaking up and voicing opinions, yet keeping a conversation open and civil?

Yeah, I agree with you, John Byrnes, it's a sadly dying art in general, politics in particular, and I personally greatly miss statesmanship. Entrenched "them" vs "us" is never helpful. Ever. If it truly gets to that, just shoot the fycker. 

Or yourself.

Best, Helen

Anonymous users here are already being jerks.  

Seems like a math problem:

 Find out how many people are on MP.
Subtract the number of likes your comment gets from that number: this is your Implied Thumbs Down Rating.
Reduce your level of dopamine from the interaction accordingly.