First in Line Ethics

Michael Vaillwrote:

It was intended as a joke, but it’s not funny.

Sarcasm implies you don’t actually mean what you say… Therefore op doesn’t actually want to see the climbers in an accident.  What’s the huge issue here if he didn’t mean it?

Cole Ingwrote:

Sarcasm implies you don’t actually mean what you say… Therefore op doesn’t actually want to see the climbers in an accident.  What’s the huge issue here if he didn’t mean it?

It may just be a joke, OP didn’t “actually” mean it etc etc…but it’s an incredibly distasteful one. Intent is different from impact — and the speaker is responsible for both. Plus “edgy” humor is just so old. 

Making that kind of joke and allowing certain jokes to slide can indicate what type of person you are. 

Kevin Mokracekwrote:

I can’t wait around for you to finish downing your Ensure.  

Ha ha ha! 

Heck, if y’all are surprised about a bad joke referring to an accident happening to a climber, then y’all don’t want to hear what mountain project’s position is on stressed out dogs in cars….

Either way, hard to have fun when a selfish dickhead is just ahead or just behind you. Unless it's your all-time goal route, I'd steer clear of anyone playing childish games.

Cole Ingwrote:

Sarcasm implies you don’t actually mean what you say… Therefore op doesn’t actually want to see the climbers in an accident.  What’s the huge issue here if he didn’t mean it?

Honest question: Where does that logic end for you? I wonder what the mp reaction would be if someone made a racist comment but put the “/s” afterwards… “Just being sarcastic, lighten up!”, right?  Dude said he wants to see a climber killed or seriously injured because he got (let himself get) scooped on a climb…Sorry but kidding or not that deserves a little criticism imo. Doesn’t have the courage or social skills to at least attempt to work something out at the base but as soon as he’s at the keyboard on social media it’s SHOWTIME!!! LOL!!!

It was a super obvious sarcastic comment made by the OP.  I read it, got it, and moved on.  Some people just have a different sense of humor.    I would highly dissuade anyone who was offended by this little comment from ever working in a hospital, fire station or police department where humor can get really dark and sometimes over the line but it’s an attempt to keep your sanity.  

Marco Conciwrote:

Anyways I wouldn’t mind seeing Climber #1 again, in the AAC accident reports /s

You’re not a witty or funny person. 

I hope your partner over cams all your C4’s  

The cancel culture, in action. 

FrankPSwrote:

The cancel culture, in action. 

To a hammer, everything is a nail.

It wasn’t that long ago that when folks were unamused by something they just kept going on with their lives without making a stink. Lately people seem to actively look for things to be offended by. I feel bad for them.

Hahaha Happy fucking New Year! I guess OP got their classic MP argument. Jee-zus! Get a life people.

Like others have said, probably could have figured this all out at the parking lot. Or started earlier. Definitely poor form to make a claim to the route without their partner. Not really a good way out of that without either “being a dick” or giving up on the route.

The story of getting snaked on a climb reminds me of a funny day out in Icicle Canyon, Leavenworth, Washington.

The Pearly Gates cragging area and Snow Creek Wall share the same parking lot and even share the same trail for a short distance. My buddy (Pat) and I were heading to the Pearly Gates, so we started on Snow Creek Trail and took the climbers trail across the creek and began heading up to Pearly Gates. After a short while, we noticed 2 other climbers below us hiking uphill quickly. Pat and I being young, proud males felt like picking up our pace so that they could not catch up to us. We began charging up the hill but eventually the other party caught up to us, gasping for air, but trying to appear chill. They asked us "What route are you guys going to get on?" 

We were intending to simply go cragging at Pearly Gates, so I replied with "We are thinking of doing a hand full of routes today.

He looked at me a little perplexed, so I asked him "What route are you guys going to get on?"

To that he replied "Outer Space."

Outer Space is one of the most classic multipitch routes in Washington state; however it is located on Snowcreek Wall and not at the Pearly Gates. They had botched the approach and chased us up the hill for like 20 minutes in the wrong direction. They clearly were hiking fast so that they could pass us on the trail on get on Outer Space before us.

I let them know that they botched the approach, and they would need to hike back down almost to the start of the trail and follow the obvious and well traveled Snow Creek Trail. I did mention that Snow Creek Wall was uphill from us but they would need to get to the wall and do the climbers walk off back to the base of Snow Creek Wall. They decided to bushwack up from Pearly Gates, around Snowcreek Wall and begin climbing that day. LOL. Pat and I joked about those dudes for years.

I recall walking up to a route in the Portland Rock Gym and flaking my rope while eyeballing the moves.

A young lady started aggressively saying, “EXCUSE ME” from behind. I turned around to see her sitting alone on the floor 10 feet away. When I made eye contact she said, “I’m mapping that route.”

I’m still not entirely sure what that means.

Marco Conciwrote:

Anyways I wouldn’t mind seeing Climber #1 again, in the AAC accident reports /s

Hey Marco Conci:  lame and gross thing to type. You should edit it. When you are 25 you will know this is correct. So just do it now. 

j mowrote:

Hey Marco Conci:  lame and gross thing to type. You should edit it. When you are 25 you will know this is correct. So just do it now. 

Hey j mo:  lame and gross thing to type. You should edit it. When you are 26 you will know this is correct. So just do it now.

Marc Hwrote:

It wasn’t that long ago that when folks were unamused by something they just kept going on with their lives without making a stink. Lately people seem to actively look for things to be offended by. I feel bad for them.

I remember when people got upset about something they spoke to the person who upset them. Face to face. 

I never discuss my plans in any detail with anyone except my partner.  This parking lot discussion set off the race.  There could have already been another party ahead of both, so there is no point in zeroing in on a climb in the first place, much less talking openly about it.  If someone asks, I give an answer that is very general, vague and could be a lie depending on context.  Worst case, on more difficult or dangerous routes, it can put your head in the wrong place to meet expectations you set by talking in advance about something you haven’t done and might not be able to do - and I’ve found it’s just generally bad luck.

+1 - unless you’re soloing, you’re not in line until both partners are there.  OP won the race and had claim to the route.  

Also +1 - I’m all for chit-chat about letting the fastest party go first, but I have to hear something real, like they actually did a well known route in a certain time, not what they wish they will do on that day - otherwise they can wait their turn or find another route - nobody actually says they’re slow.

A 22 yr old hasn’t developed empathy yet - 1-2 posts is enough for his comment - dogpiling him is ironic.

Ryan Jwrote:

I never discuss my plans in any detail with anyone except my partner.   

The need for this level of subterfuge and paranoia is concerning. 

Ryan Jwrote:

I never discuss my plans in any detail with anyone except my partner.  This parking lot discussion set off the race.  There could have already been another party ahead of both, so there is no point in zeroing in on a climb in the first place, much less talking openly about it.  If someone asks, I give an answer that is very general, vague and could be a lie depending on context.  Worst case, on more difficult or dangerous routes, it can put your head in the wrong place to meet expectations you set by talking in advance about something you haven’t done and might not be able to do - and I’ve found it’s just generally bad luck.

+1 - unless you’re soloing, you’re not in line until both partners are there.  OP won the race and had claim to the route.  

Also +1 - I’m all for chit-chat about letting the fastest party go first, but I have to hear something real, like they actually did a well known route in a certain time, not what they wish they will do on that day - otherwise they can wait their turn or find another route - nobody actually says they’re slow.

A 22 yr old hasn’t developed empathy yet - 1-2 posts is enough for his comment - dogpiling him is ironic.

I tend to hike faster than others, while passing the noobs on the race up they often ask “What route are you guys doing?”, I like to say “The one you guys are doing!”. This establishes dominance and sets the tone. Thus I have never needed to negotiate for a route in my life.