Safety Third. The Glorification of Injury.

kevin deweese wrote:

Doesn’t seem to prevent people from BASE despite Ammons very public injury videos or Dean Potter and Graham Hunt

Oh, did they hit the ground right beside someone?  Is BASE jumping remotely as prevalent or popular as climbing?  Apples and oranges.

don'tchuffonme wrote:

Oh, did they hit the ground right beside someone?  Is BASE jumping remotely as prevalent or popular as climbing?  Apples and oranges.

Oh, did they hit the ground right beside someone? = irrelevant to the discussion about glorification in media of those who survive the "epic"

Is BASE jumping remotely as prevalent or popular as climbing? = are we talking about the effect upon the general population or the population of those involved in the sport? If it's the former then this is a pointless discussion. If it's the latter then we're not talking about popularity, we're talking about the ratio of those involved in the sport that would be influenced by media, something I would assume is relatively the same due to the general way humanity behaves.

Apples and oranges. = more like swing and miss

don'tchuffonme wrote:

Oh, did they hit the ground right beside someone?  Is BASE jumping remotely as prevalent or popular as climbing?  Apples and oranges.

Base jumping (wingsuiting) is a pretty self-limiting behavior. Even before he died Dean Potter was on video saying that 20% of the people he knew who wing suited had died in the previous year, and that he realized it was incredibly dangerous. 

I suspect in proximity flying that Ammon-like miracles of survival only happen once in every very few blue moons - he's a lucky boy.

Healyje wrote: I suspect in proximity flying that Ammon-like miracles of survival only happen once in every very few blue moons - he's a lucky boy.

Yeah, saw that one back when it happened. Scary, sad sink on a bad vector pick. Another very lucky cat.

kevin deweese wrote:

Oh, did they hit the ground right beside someone? = irrelevant to the discussion about glorification in media of those who survive the "epic"

Is BASE jumping remotely as prevalent or popular as climbing? = are we talking about the effect upon the general population or the population of those involved in the sport? If it's the former then this is a pointless discussion. If it's the latter then we're not talking about popularity, we're talking about the ratio of those involved in the sport that would be influenced by media, something I would assume is relatively the same due to the general way humanity behaves.

Apples and oranges. = more like swing and miss

You're right if you're referring to the OP.  But you quoted me.  What I said is if people bounce off the deck beside someone, that might shake those people out of their complacency.  As far as I know, Dean didn't crater feet away from a crowd of BASE jumpers.  No?

don'tchuffonme wrote:

You're right if you're referring to the OP.  But you quoted me.  What I said is if people bounce off the deck beside someone, that might shake those people out of their complacency.  As far as I know, Dean didn't crater feet away from a crowd of BASE jumpers.  No?

Your post spent a few words on bouncing next to someone else and multiple sentences referring to what people see in the media. If your main point was specifically the effect of seeing it happen irl next to them then you buried it pretty well. Even those words about bouncing next to someone was in reference less to the act itself and more to the dichotomy of how people treat your opinions differently depending upon real life or media. 

Just perused the latest climbing mag and I realize this is an unpopular opinion but I’ll say it again. I can’t believe how few of the climbers are wearing helmets 

chris tregge wrote:

Just perused the latest climbing mag and I realize this is an unpopular opinion but I’ll say it again. I can’t believe how few of the climbers are wearing helmets 

Same. I also can't believe the number of people who will wear it for some things, but not others. Sport day? Nah. Trad day? Sure. Like...you're still carrying gear up the rock on sport days that your climber could fumble and drop on your head...MAYBE on a redpoint project where the draws are already hung and you need to shave a little bit more weight to top out...but what happens if you biff it and tumble? 

For me, if I'm outside, it's on. If I can't send the proj with a helmet, that's on me.

Chris Johnson wrote:

Same. I also can't believe the number of people who will wear it for some things, but not others….

For me, if I'm outside, it's on. If I can't send the proj with a helmet, that's on me.

Worst are boulderers.  They may not have the same risks of ice or rock or gear coming down on top of them, but the risk of smashing their face or noggins  in a bad landing is still there.   I’d take them more seriously if they wore suitable protection tailored for their sport.

YGD!

Mark Pilate wrote:

Worst are boulderers.  They may not have the same risks of ice or rock or gear coming down on top of them, but the risk of smashing their face or noggins  in a bad landing is still there.   I’d take them more seriously if they wore suitable protection tailored for their sport.

Finally, I can feel safe bouldering, what an innovative idea! 

chris tregge wrote:

Just perused the latest climbing mag and I realize this is an unpopular opinion but I’ll say it again. I can’t believe how few of the climbers are wearing helmets 

The reason is because they're mainly intended for overhead hazards.  Sure they can help in a fall at the right angles, but you're not facing much (if any) overhead risk when you're punting on your sick cave proj.  

Chris Johnson wrote:

Same. I also can't believe the number of people who will wear it for some things, but not others. Sport day? Nah. Trad day? Sure. Like...you're still carrying gear up the rock on sport days that your climber could fumble and drop on your head...MAYBE on a redpoint project where the draws are already hung and you need to shave a little bit more weight to top out...but what happens if you biff it and tumble? 

For me, if I'm outside, it's on. If I can't send the proj with a helmet, that's on me.

You manage your own risk, there is no denying that you should wear a helmet in every discipline of climbing, but you probably should also wear your seat beat when you drive to the gas station less than a mile away. 

Everyone has a different risk tolerance and all we can do is educate.  

Personally, I always wear a helmet belaying (I got a bald head can't be marking it up) but only wear one climbing depending on my opinion of the quality of rock. 

almostrad wrote:

The reason is because they're mainly intended for overhead hazards.  Sure they can help in a fall at the right angles, but you're not facing much (if any) overhead risk when you're punting on your sick cave proj.  

Really, what's most surprising is that so few BELAYERS wear helmets. Because every belayer is facing overhead risks. 

almostrad wrote:

The reason is because they're mainly intended for overhead hazards.  Sure they can help in a fall at the right angles, but you're not facing much (if any) overhead risk when you're punting on your sick cave proj.  

you can't mansplain me, i'm a man!  

Jordan Wilson wrote:

you probably should also wear your seat beat when you drive to the gas station less than a mile away.

...yes?

rgold wrote: The foundational essence of trad climbing is risk...

This seems a bit embellished. Climbing is what you make it. You can make it risky, or you can make it pretty pedestrian.

chris tregge wrote:

Just perused the latest climbing mag and I realize this is an unpopular opinion but I’ll say it again. I can’t believe how few of the climbers are wearing helmets 

I can't believe you just sucked me into reading a 4 yr old tradidiot troll thread. Talk about risk!