Climbing has TRULY gone mainstream now!

The reviews of that rope are gold... How are there so many people that bought this thing and seriously thought it was going to work for their critical application? (Like keeping a tree from falling on their house)

The same company has a dynamic rope which is absolutely terrifying:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082H9G44W?th=1

Steven Leewrote:

The reviews of that rope are gold... How are there so many people that bought this thing and seriously thought it was going to work for their critical application? (Like keeping a tree from falling on their house)

The same company has a dynamic rope which is absolutely terrifying:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082H9G44W?th=1

Holly cow!

“The face material of our rope was pretty, colorful” W.T.F.???

100% agree with Jim T’s comments above. The California Prop 65 standards are not a joke. The standards themselves, or the threat of the standards have probably kept many thousands of people from getting cancer. 

Jim Twrote:

Or maybe too many things contain carcinogens, even things that don’t need to.  And CA has balls.  TBH, not sure what the truth is about the harness but I know that my shampoo doesn’t need to cause cancer but the mfr disagrees.

That's true.

But then, it may still also be true that this standard isn't necessarily as good a fix to that as advertised. It's a known effect that too much of a stimulus gets tuned out by people. For most people, when they see those warnings everywhere, they don't necessarily get to your conclusion, but just tune out. Maybe some consumer behavior has changed, but I would tend to think that hose who changed as a result of the standard would mostly be people already aware of the issue...

Steven Leewrote:

The reviews of that rope are gold... How are there so many people that bought this thing and seriously thought it was going to work for their critical application? (Like keeping a tree from falling on their house)

The same company has a dynamic rope which is absolutely terrifying:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082H9G44W?th=1

X XBEN 10.5 mm Dynamic Static Climbing Rope

Dang, wish I had known this amazing technology before,  the rope can be both static and dynamic, best of both worlds. 

Francois Dumaswrote:

X XBEN 10.5 mm Dynamic Static Climbing Rope

Dang, wish I had known this amazing technology before,  the rope can be both static and dynamic, best of both worlds. 

What hath science wrought?

Francois Dumaswrote:

Dang, wish I had known this amazing technology before,  the rope can be both static and dynamic, best of both worlds. 

You think that's impressive, the description says the rope is good for use in Bouldering. Finally, a rope for boulderers!

(Also good for "Cliff Hanging.")

Why would you even need a rope:  

From the homepage of a pharmaceutical companies website. 

Owen Peterswrote:

Why would you even need a rope:  

From the homepage of a pharmaceutical companies website. 

That’s quite impressive! Hopefully they pay more attention to details when it comes to actual pharmaceuticals. 

Lena chitawrote:

That’s quite impressive! Hopefully they pay more attention to details when it comes to actual pharmaceuticals. 

“Accidental drug overdose is currently the leading cause of death in the United States for those under 50.”

https://drugpolicy.org/issues/drug-overdose

Pierre de St Croixwrote:

“Accidental drug overdose is currently the leading cause of death in the United States for those under 50.”

https://drugpolicy.org/issues/drug-overdose

When I was in the medical technology industry we focused, in part, on developing products and systems that would reduce " medical mis-adventures".  At that time, some 20 years age, there were over 100,000 deaths/year in US hospitals due to the wrong drug being administered.  Expect that number might be higher today.  Just one of the reasons to avoid hospitals if at all possible.

Proof that people are actually buying (and apparently re-selling) this stuff - Seen on Facebook Marketplace today:

"Mophorn" Rope

"Favofit" carabiner

"Weanas" harness - I'd be hesitant to even try to hang off the ground in this thing.

Steven Leewrote:

Proof that people are actually buying (and apparently re-selling) this stuff - Seen on Facebook Marketplace today:

"Mophorn" Rope

"Favofit" carabiner

"Weanas" harness - I'd be hesitant to even try to hang off the ground in this thing.

These off-brand products may be made in the same factories as well known brands like Black Diamond, but they are the generic house brands for demonstration and economy shoppers.  

The bike industry is the same way.  Some savvy amateur racers buy, off- brand "Chinese carbon" bikes and report online great results.  There is a obvious difference in the vertical.  Cyclist are more likely to get hit by a car than crash from equipment failure. 

I'm not sure how quality control works in the climbing industry.  I dont think UIAA tests gear themselves and awards certifications.  

Peak climbing right here! It’s so mainstream that many plebes can only dream about it.

Offwidth climbers already know that Walmart has been selling climbing gear for years

Jeff Dingwrote:

Offwidth climbers already know that Walmart has been selling climbing gear for years

Thrifty limestone sport climbers too   

Stein Mauswrote:

100% agree with Jim T’s comments above. The California Prop 65 standards are not a joke. The standards themselves, or the threat of the standards have probably kept many thousands of people from getting cancer. 

Well, it wasn’t intended as a joke. But like everything this banana republic gov in California touches, it turns into a joke, or rather a nightmare. That became apparent when they slapped 65 warnings on things like Doug Fir 2x4’s and Coffee. It’s become literally the poster child for over regulation. Even the EPA (another bureaucracy plagued with erroneous over regulation) has pushed back against some of its more outlandish claims and requirements.
The worst part is it makes even more hostile, the environment for struggling small business owners by creating scores of lawyers who’s sole purpose in life is to go after small errors of “noncompliance” so they can threaten the small business with huge fines if they don’t settle out of court. Which often leads to the business failing. Way to go California, you have found yet another way to make the worst small business environment in the country even worse. It’s become nothing more than a way for frivolous attorneys to get rich off the backs of small businesses, supported by mostly junk science. 

Idaho Bobwrote:

When I was in the medical technology industry we focused, in part, on developing products and systems that would reduce " medical mis-adventures".  At that time, some 20 years age, there were over 100,000 deaths/year in US hospitals due to the wrong drug being administered.  Expect that number might be higher today.  Just one of the reasons to avoid hospitals if at all possible.

I think you’re conflating the amount of medication errors with deaths?

It’s great to blame hospitals for all ills, but you don’t go there  because you were having a great day.

Colonel Mustardwrote:

I think you’re conflating the amount of medication errors with deaths?

It’s great to blame hospitals for all ills, but you don’t go there  because you were having a great day.

The parent comment isn't totally wrong (it's reported as having come up to ~250k deaths/yr, though the attribution methodology used to get that number is questionable at best), but their counterfactual is way off the mark. It's a bit like saying '10k people die each year choking on food so if at all possible avoid eating'.

MattHwrote:

The parent comment isn't totally wrong (it's reported as having come up to ~250k deaths/yr, though the attribution methodology used to get that number is questionable at best), but their counterfactual is way off the mark. It's a bit like saying '10k people die each year choking on food so if at all possible avoid eating'.

Those figures are far from settled, other studies point to them being greatly inflated. Though I do agree with your final point. 

In the end, you can die from the right medication too. Also, you’re going to die. Many will die in a hospital, that’s sorta how things work out in this imperfect world.

It is interesting territory. Of course we all want to reduce errors, but I don’t think a lot of people get how chaotic the medical environment is at its baseline, how much more acute the setting has become, how many moving parts need to align to make things run smoothly. Many seem to enjoy miracle pills and arbitration much more than prevention and participation in their own plan of care.