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What constructive advice would you give to new climbers going outdoors?
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I have a business opportunity that is allowing me to capture the attention of a lot of climbers, most of which will probably be new to the sport and transitioning from gym to crag (whether we like it or not). I want to use this opportunity to better our sport and educate new climbers on how to treat climbing areas with respect, with a goal of preserving and protecting them as well as preventing increased closure or regulations from land managers. Basically I am putting together a one page of advice and/or dos and don'ts for outdoor climbing and I would love some input from this community about what types of things should be on it. Thanks everyone. |
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-Your dog is not as well behaved as you think. -Your shit stinks. -No one else wants to hear your music. -You don't climb v4. Please plan accordingly. |
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https://www.trainingbeta.com/media/access-fund/ https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/climbing-ethics.html https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/learning-climb-outdoors.html |
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Contact your local climbing organization - they will almost certainly have great materials already prepared that can address both universal guidelines and some local specifics. No point reinventing the wheel any LCO has already spent years building and refining |
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No: unleashed dogs, daisy chain thongs, hexes, helmets at sport crags (or even worse baseball caps under helmets) personal anchor systems/cordelletes @ 1 pitch areas. |
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Keep your groups small. Keep your gear tidy and organized Communicate with other climbers politely Leave your dogs, ego and relationship problems at home Try to establish a plan for lowering before you start climbing- avoid excessive yelling to each other from the top of the climb. Try to think beyond just the climbing and appreciate other aspects of the outdoors. The crag is not simply an outdoor climbing gym. Take the time to notice the natural beauty and respect the ecosystems in which we are trying to coexist. |
Jens 1wrote: Helmets are borderline necessary at our major sport climbing area as it’s chossy and rock breaks and hits belayers all the time. Plus I just had a friend last year who broke a hold while clipping chains and took a 30 footer head first in to the wall and thank god they were wearing their helmet there. |
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Not everything has to be done in a big group. |
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The importance of a mentor. |
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Think for yourself, learn for yourself, be responsible for yourself. |
Jens 1wrote: Add: no worrying about how other climbers climb, what gear they have, or what clothes they wear. Avoid other climbers with “holier than thou” snobbish attitudes that have no bearing on real safety or meaningful skills. |
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Don’t trust marketing companies asking for advice on MP for your safety |
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Take a look at "How to get asked out on a second date" by rgold at the top of Mt Project's Beginning Climbers section. |
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the outdoors is icky. |
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make sure your ego never get's as big as the typical MP forum contributor |
jmswrote: yeah, if anybody wants to do a write up about how to connect with a mentor, that would be IMO the single biggest obstacle to beginners and marginalized communities getting outdoors. |
Pnelsonwrote: This is a good one. Maybe if you are with a group of 7 or more split it up and meet for beers afterwards. |
Jesse Quandtwrote: My man! |
Mark Pilatewrote: This is very important. Everyone read this ^^^^^^^ |
Allen Sandersonwrote: Great links, I am donating to the Access Fund with this project so I do plan on using their information. |
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Please quit asking which climb I'm on and what the grade is as your nose is buried in your Mountain Project app. Buy the local guidebook. It will have positive ripple effects. They're all so we'll done these days. |
