This was in RMNP and specifically the access trail to the Banana Bowls. After a few laps on the face, my partner and I descended the hiking trail (common exit). A splitboarder physically boxed me out from passing him as I tried to avoid a collision by cutting on the upward slope. A bush stopped me. The splitboarder then said “oh, am I in your way?” and with angst. To which I replied, “you kind of are.”
was the splitboarder skinning up? or riding down? because if they are skinning up, they are essentially on skis and the problem is not that they are a splitboarder, it's that they don't know how to move two sticks out of the way, which is a problem shared by both backcountry sports.
if this person was plowing down the track on their heels and taking up all the space, I guess I understand your unnecessary jab. Ever ski at Alta?
Perry Norris wrote: I am having trouble visualizing the conflict. Who skis down the skin track?
Since it seems you're from Truckee, or a least were when you made your account, imagine skiing Jake's and you're exiting the last portion before hitting the road. For a couple hundred yards, the downhill skiers and the uphill skinners are often essentially on the same track.
John, nobody has questioned your credibility, and I’m with you on principle.... just maybe though the sentiment can be conveyed with slightly less hatchet to the forehead.
Since you got 9 other clue-less people to give a thumbs-up, I'll respond.
I've skied on just about everything, in every style, for 52 years. Prepared tracks, backcountry, snow-cave, hut-to-hut, resort, side-country and lots of heli. Straight-sided skis with bowling shoes, Telemark, AT and alpine gear. Groomed runs, bumps, corduroy, ice, powder, trees, corn, crud, sastrugi, breakable-crust, surface hoar, you name it. Thousands of ski-days in Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, California, British Columbia (the best), even the Midwest and likely some places I've forgotten. I've been quoted in a ski history book.
I've witnessed dozens of avalanches close-up, not only in the backcountry but inside of resort boundaries. I've dug-out my buried friends with my shovel. I've evacuated injured friends on sleds made from their skis and tree branches.
Back in '78 they decided to pave the road and keep Cameron Pass open year-round. Did a lot of exploring and first descents with my friends. We named most of the runs that I hear people talk about today. I even named a first descent up in BC a few years ago.
So yeah, I actually know something about skiing and if I have a chip on my shoulder, I've earned it.
Since you got 9 other clue-less people to give a thumbs-up, I'll respond.
I've skied on just about everything, in every style, for 52 years. Prepared tracks, backcountry, snow-cave, hut-to-hut, resort, side-country and lots of heli. Straight-sided skis with bowling shoes, Telemark, AT and alpine gear. Groomed runs, bumps, corduroy, ice, powder, trees, corn, crud, sastrugi, breakable-crust, surface hoar, you name it. Thousands of ski-days in Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, California, British Columbia (the best), even the Midwest and likely some places I've forgotten. I've been quoted in a ski history book.
I've witnessed dozens of avalanches close-up, not only in the backcountry but inside of resort boundaries. I've dug-out my buried friends with my shovel. I've evacuated injured friends on sleds made from their skis and tree branches.
Back in '78 they decided to pave the road and keep Cameron Pass open year-round. Did a lot of exploring and first descents with my friends. We named most of the runs that I hear people talk about today. I even named a first descent up in BC a few years ago.
So yeah, I actually know something about skiing and if I have a chip on my shoulder, I've earned it.
That might be the single biggest piece of spray ever posted on MP. Especially the skiing the Midwest part, that's a really nice piece of credentials... Do people need to wear shades around you to dim the aura you radiate?
You think maybe the 9 other clueless people clued in to the fact that you sound like a raging asshole in this thread?
was the splitboarder skinning up? or riding down? because if they are skinning up, they are essentially on skis and the problem is not that they are a splitboarder, it's that they don't know how to move two sticks out of the way, which is a problem shared by both backcountry sports.
if this person was plowing down the track on their heels and taking up all the space, I guess I understand your unnecessary jab. Ever ski at Alta?
Dude, snowboards aren't allowed at Alta...
But, I get your point because I've skied at Alta. And, the crew there (especially my "friends") were one of the reasons I preferred to ski the backcountry. Slow on the high traverse? Pretty impatient and rude folks for sure. Have you got your t-shirt yet? Hilarious...
That might be the single biggest piece of spray ever posted on MP. Especially the skiing the Midwest part, that's a really nice piece of credentials... Do people need to wear shares around you to dim the aura you radiate?
John has a history of reacting this way on MP...and it isn't the first time he and I have disagreed...
That might be the single biggest piece of spray ever posted on MP. Especially the skiing the Midwest part, that's a really nice piece of credentials... Do people need to wear shades around you to dim the aura you radiate?
You think maybe the 9 other clueless people clued in to the fact that you sound like a raging asshole in this thread?
Hey, he's earned that "raging asshole" title. Over and over and over again.
Fixed your typo. Come on, tighten up ya beater. Ha ha.
I know. I live in SLC too, and I snowboard/splitboard, and I used to work for BD, and I get it. Alta is awesome. Skiers are the best. Snowboarders suck ;)
JK. in all seriousness, I was trying to make a jab at Alta while also seriously inquiring if that comment was an unnecessary slight on snowboarders, and trying to understand the context... Like if he was skiing faster downhill than the snowboarder was riding downhill, duh the asshole on the board should have moved over. But if he was skinning then he could have boxed him out, or a skier could have boxed him out, and it wouldn't have mattered if he was a splitboarder or a snowboarder.
After four pages, I still don't get it. I always assumed the skinner had the right of way, maybe because I mountain biked long before I started BC skiing.
So, John, you're saying that if I'm headed uphill and you're coming down a narrow section of trail where you're unable to stop or avoid me, it's my job to dive out of the way, or whatever you command? And if you hit me because I was staring at my ski tips, the collision is my fault?
Jonathan Awerbuch wrote: After four pages, I still don't get it. I always assumed the skinner had the right of way, maybe because I mountain biked long before I started BC skiing.
So, John, you're saying that if I'm headed uphill and you're coming down a narrow section of trail where you're unable to stop or avoid me, it's my job to dive out of the way, or whatever you command? And if you hit me because I was staring at my ski tips, the collision is my fault?
Finally someone gets it.
Expect John to beat your lifeless corpse with a straight-shaft ice axe after he runs you (and your dog) over for having the audacity to be breathing hard while skinning uphill. All the while screaming about being in the history books for doing the first descent of a 300' mine tailing deep in the Midwest in the early 1900s, way back before the roads got paved, in an era when real men dodged avalanches and shot snowboarders on sight to use their pelts as traction devices for their wooden skis / bowling shoes combo.
Tim Stich
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I did have to beat with my ski pole someone's St. Bernard skiing down Lefthand Reservoir Road once at Brainard Lake. Fucker was flat out ready to jump on me.
Also, I have been tarpitted in this thread. For what reason, I have no idea.
John, can you still post after what you have written? You were mean and called someone a name. I called a dog a "fucker" above I guess, but I didn't call him that on the day I repelled him with my pole.
Tim Stich wrote: I did have to beat with my ski pole someone's St. Bernard skiing down Lefthand Reservoir Road once at Brainard Lake. Fucker was flat out ready to jump on me.
So, John, you're saying that if I'm headed uphill and you're coming down a narrow section of trail where you're unable to stop or avoid me, it's my job to dive out of the way, or whatever you command? And if you hit me because I was staring at my ski tips, the collision is my fault?
Yes, the answer is yes. Don't skin up the downhill track and if the tracks merge get out of the way. And all the wannabe mountaineers in the Sierra... guess what..it's ski season and all those chutes are in the bc guidebooks so don't boot those either... expect riders.
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