Mandatory Helmets for Pros

Tradiban wrote:

Right-O. I think we can all agree a helmet can't hurt and I find it perplexing that sponsors don't already require it in their contracts.

Is there any valid argument for pros not being required to wear helmets?

Hush you self absorbed harlot. 

haha NO- dont create more rules than we already have, climbing is too hard with all the limitations as it is, IMHO america has too many laws what you can and cannot do, No trespassing laws should be removed not helmets it would open the country to everyone.   

Meh. T0

T-rolling for Tradiban

Mandatory.....you are the same group of people who want to decide how large a coke i can buy. Worry about your head and I will worry about mine....which by the way is always covered with a helmet when I climb.

Live Perched wrote:

Pros climb for a living.  Unlike amateurs, who do other work (or don't work), pros take risk climbing to sustain themselves.  That largely involves pros building a brand around their images and names.  Professional athletes who don't wear head gear are more recognizable than pros who wear hats and far more recognizable than pro athletes who wear helmets with face masks.  Climbing helmets obscure pro climbers' faces less than football helmets and more than baseball caps.   If a pro athlete doesn't want to wear a helmet while he or she sends a test piece because he or she is comfortable without it or wants the work he or she is doing to be captured in a more recognizable way, that is literally their business.

Now could helmet merchants pay said climber to wear the helmet so the merchant can turn a buck.  Why not?  

Pretty weak argument. It's not hard to get pics that can show who the climber is with a helmet on. I'm surprised that most pros do not support helmet use in all their media already.

Oyvind Boe wrote: haha NO- dont create more rules than we already have, climbing is too hard with all the limitations as it is, IMHO america has too many laws what you can and cannot do, No trespassing laws should be removed not helmets it would open the country to everyone.   

Michael S. Catlett wrote: 

Mandatory.....you are the same group of people who want to decide how large a coke i can buy. Worry about your head and I will worry about mine....which by the way is always covered with a helmet when I climb. 

I am not proposing a law, I am proposing that sponsors require their athletes wear helmets while they are "working" for said sponsor. Sponsors have a moral responsibility to protect their climbers and promote safe climbing to their customers. 

Don't fret, your right to become an invalid will remain intact.

M Mobes wrote: They should all wear Red Bull helmets.

Then again, youd have the diabetes haters getting all over your ass...

This is interesting, seeing as Redbull has built a brand around their helmet thing. What if companies started making "pro" only helmets? Not sure what that would lead to, but it do something.

Michael S. Catlett wrote: Mandatory.....you are the same group of people who want to decide how large a coke i can buy. Worry about your head and I will worry about mine....which by the way is always covered with a helmet when I climb.

ya, not really comparable to the obesity epidemic. sugar costs the public billions in health expenses while we subsidize garbage food. if the govt wants to pay my gym fees and fill up my tank to go climbing i’d make that trade for mandatory helmets no problem. 

Tradiban wrote: Pretty weak argument. It's not hard to get pics that can show who the climber is with a helmet on. I'm surprised that most pros do not support helmet use in all their media already.

I am not proposing a law, I am proposing that sponsors require their athletes wear helmets while they are "working" for said sponsor. Sponsors have a moral responsibility to protect their climbers and promote safe climbing to their customers. 

Don't fret, your right to become an invalid will remain intact.

Trademand,

No. What you proposed is that we demand that they make them wear helmets. But have you done this? Made any such demands? You never answered last time. We’re waiting.

Tradiban wrote: Pretty weak argument. It's not hard to get pics that can show who the climber is with a helmet on. I'm surprised that most pros do not support helmet use in all their media already.

I am not proposing a law, I am proposing that sponsors require their athletes wear helmets while they are "working" for said sponsor. Sponsors have a moral responsibility to protect their climbers and promote safe climbing to their customers. 

Don't fret, your right to become an invalid will remain intact.

Ride a bike in midtown at rush hour with your helmet on.  Don’t fret about becoming an invalid.  xoxo

Keith Wood wrote:

Trademand,

No. What you proposed is that we demand that they make them wear helmets. But have you done this? Made any such demands? You never answered last time. We’re waiting.

Edit: Since I am so much more "worldly" than you I feel compelled to say that this meme has layers.

You kid yourself.

Chad Miller wrote:

Hush you self absorbed harlot. 

Can you not come up with anything more creative? Same slick on here everytime, I am starting to think you have something for the tradiban the way you follow him around....

Gumby the White wrote:

Can you not come up with anything more creative? Same slick on here everytime, I am starting to think you have something for the tradiban the way you follow him around....

My comments reflect his posts.   Well at least the ones I read. 

I’m a bit concerned  that your dedication to TB is so intense that you follow what others say to him. That’s not healthy. Get help. 

Dan.G. yorlig wrote: Also to tie a thought in here, there was a recent thing I heard from a stonemaster at a slideshow that when they were bringing the hurt to socal climbing in the 70's "there were the stonemasters, then there were the guys that wore the helmets..." or something along those lines. Just food for thought (or forum fodder).

It goes a little something like this:

In the beginning those who were worthy climbed, and those who were not, didn't. Those who didn't became jealous and started climbing, but they were still unworthy. Due to their unsuitability they needed extra things to facilitate their climbing and suppress their fear. Soon with capitalism at their side they outnumbered the worthy and their voices became louder, emboldened by their numbers, but still, they were unworthy.

The unworthy need their worldview constantly justified because they don't believe in themselves. "WHAT IF?!" they howl. Over and over and over, their hands burn from the wringing. Still, they see those who are better they are and are again jealous. "How can it be?" they think, "That this man has no fear, and I have so much?". They cannot stand the question, so they howl louder and louder until their corporate overlords succumb to their mutual weakness.

This is how things are, this is how they will be.

Tradiban wrote:

It goes a little something like this:

In the beginning those who were worthy climbed, and those who were not, didn't.

...

This is how things are, this is how they will be.

Ohhhh damn. Yeah sounds about right. 

Im down with helmets. Do you wear a helmet when you climb T? 

  

Tradiban wrote:

It goes a little something like this:

In the beginning those who were worthy climbed, and those who were not, didn't. Those who didn't became jealous and started climbing, but they were still unworthy. Due to their unsuitability they needed extra things to facilitate their climbing and suppress their fear. Soon with capitalism at their side they outnumbered the worthy and their voices became louder, emboldened by their numbers, but still, they were unworthy.

The unworthy need their worldview constantly justified because they don't believe in themselves. "WHAT IF?!" they howl. Over and over and over, their hands burn from the wringing. Still, they see those who are better they are and are again jealous. "How can it be?" they think, "That this man has no fear, and I have so much?". They cannot stand the question, so they howl louder and louder until their corporate overlords succumb to their mutual weakness.

This is how things are, this is how they will be.

Holy crap.

But seriously folks, why don't sponsors require helmets for their athletes? The parallel to cycling is strong and yes, cycling teams require helmets for their athletes even on training rides. This is because of fan outrage after a couple of bad crashes in the tour. Climbing is seeing more and more of these high profile accidents, so I only see it as a matter of time.

Tradiban wrote: But seriously folks, why don't sponsors require helmets for their athletes? The parallel to cycling is strong and yes, cycling teams require helmets for their athletes even on training rides. This is because of fan outrage after a couple of bad crashes in the tour. Climbing is seeing more and more of these high profile accidents, so I only see it as a matter of time.

Your gym will be next.

M Mobes wrote:

Your gym will be next.

And this begs the question: If the helmet wearers believe that the helmet protects them from bad falls, not just rockfall, why aren't they wearing them in the gym?!