More Tensleep Drama

Derek Young wrote: Yeah - Ivan Greene. Definitely was great at hiding it and staying low key.  Kept it way under the radar.  Begin the meme challenge...

That's a strong 11 out of 10 the dbag scale. For a good laugh, scope the coffee company he founded on Instagram, Pudge Knuckles. It's the perfect recipe of narcissism and misogyny.

Julian H wrote:

Don’t worry the gov’t put and end to his coffee empire. I heard he is moving to Ten sleep, where chipping is allowed 

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160407/williamsburg/pudge-knuckles-shuttered-for-dodging-130k-taxes-state-says

Wooooooow! I totally slept on that story. Thanks for sharing!

So back on topic... Valarie Anderson is now part of the Big Horn Outdoor Recreation Collaborative which is an agency acting in an advisory and funding capacity including representatives from government land use regulators.  Looks like the Anderson's are making zero friends in Tensleep.  

http://mtnthought.com/

Maureen Maguire wrote: So back on topic... Valarie Anderson is now part of the Big Horn Outdoor Recreation Collaborative which is an agency acting in an advisory and funding capacity including representatives from government land use regulators.  Looks like the Anderson's are making zero friends in Tensleep.  

http://mtnthought.com/

BBORC Mission Statement gave me a laugh

"To promote, enhance, and develop sustainable outdoor
recreation that encourages responsible use, personal well-
being and economic benefit in the Bighorn Basin."

As the world turns, prayers and thoughts!

https://rockandice.com/climbing-news/ten-sleep-update-vigilante-climbers-remove-manufactured-routes/

Cole Paiement wrote:
If the bolts are chopped, someone will eventually go back up there and rebolt those lines. If the manufactured pockets are filled it is even more incentive because it means new FAs. It has happened before.

Fine.  Keep chopping and keep the nut job doing this busy on that sacrificial rock if he wants to rebolt it 20 times.  Shame, but better than having him drill and bolt 20 more cliff just like it..

I don't buy the 'don't escallate' thing.  If you don't stop it, it will keep happening.

Maureen Maguire wrote: So back on topic... Valarie Anderson is now part of the Big Horn Outdoor Recreation Collaborative which is an agency acting in an advisory and funding capacity including representatives from government land use regulators.  Looks like the Anderson's are making zero friends in Tensleep.  

http://mtnthought.com/

'.....(they) almost moved to Chattanooga'

Well, if they had?  The South's Steepest would have taken care of Louie's antics in a speedier fashion. No doubt on that.

More importantly, the article is well written and another lesson is in there, climbers need to not act like entitled visitors when they go to these amazing places where generations of people have lived.

In case you idiots didn't learn anything from the 80's, if the land managers get involved (which they already are) their default response and path of least resistance is to just close everything. Is it so damn important to you morons to chop routes that you're willing to risk having the entire area closed?

Gary Savage wrote: In case you idiots didn't learn anything from the 80's, if the land managers get involved (which they already are) their default response and path of least resistance is to just close everything. Is it so damn important to you morons to chop routes that you're willing to risk having the entire area closed?

Do ya think the bright red padlocks on the shiny bolts will come into play?

Gary, your idiocy is misplaced.  Look inward

Yes, climbing/outdoor rec in 2019 is viewed by land managers exactly as it was in the 80's. Duhmest thing I've ever read.

Gary Savage wrote: In case you idiots didn't learn anything from the 80's, if the land managers get involved (which they already are) their default response and path of least resistance is to just close everything. Is it so damn important to you morons to chop routes that you're willing to risk having the entire area closed?

Good news Gary:  you're dead wrong!   Forest Service District Rangers don't like wasting $$ they spent hiring climbing rangers only to close climbing in that area.

So Rangers coming soon, Clmbing Management Plan coming later means this will be worked out.

One lesson from this could be what happens when idiot egotists start chipping, drilling and glueing (sandblasting too??) in the face of climbing ethics and the general "leave no trace ethic" most everybody at least tries to follow.   And then when given the chance to talk it out just say they're going to do 'whatever the fuck they want' on public land.  THAT is in the eyes of land managers the most destructive and ignorant attitude.  

coldfinger wrote:

Good news Gary:  you're dead wrong!   Forest Service District Rangers don't like wasting $$ they spent hiring climbing rangers only to close climbing in that area.

So Rangers coming soon, Clmbing Management Plan coming later means this will be worked out.

One lesson from this could be what happens when idiot egotists start chipping, drilling and glueing (sandblasting too??) in the face of climbing ethics and the general "leave no trace ethic" most everybody at least tries to follow.   And then when given the chance to talk it out just say they're going to do 'whatever the fuck they want' on public land.  THAT is in the eyes of land managers the most destructive and ignorant attitude.  

How are those giant bright red locks looking? Talk about management plans, this one is a terrible idea on par with MAGA

m Mobes wrote:

How are those giant bright red locks looking? Talk about management plans, this one is a terrible idea on par with MAGA

Second time you mentioned the locks. Second time that no one cared. Hint.

Moobs likes yelllow better than red.

Nathan Witt wrote:

Second time you mentioned the locks. Second time that no one cared. Hint.

How much have you learned from bolt wars in Roanoke Virginia?

I'm glad they put a bolting moratorium in place. Ten Sleep doesn't need more people, routes, or developers. If you can't find a route that interests you, go somewhere else. 

Can anyone share what walls (or better what routes) are affected?  I think that's pretty important for people to know. 

All of Funkytown.

Any route that IS in the Gluey Guide but IS NOT in the Huey Guide.