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Ethics of "grooming" landings

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Jake G · · Maryland · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 10

Hey y'all. So I don't want to make this post into a big thing but I've always tried to be a responsible climber and would like to hear what you guys have to say. Over the winter I was looking for a trad project in an area near my home. Instead what I found was a boudler field that was too good to pass up. So I dug up my old pad that I hadn't used since highschool and tried a few problems. I fell in love. I've been all over this place brushing problems that don't appear to have been climbed in years, if ever at all. One of the problems I'd like to project has a nasty hole right under it that could probably be filled in with some stumps or rocks or whatever. Me and my usual climbing partner aren't really a part of the scene and so I'm not sure what is standard practice. 

BigFeet · · Texas · Joined May 2014 · Points: 385

I would leave it be if nature "groomed" it. Don't take the character of the climb away. The danger, esthetics, and appeal are part of it.

If some jerk did something to change it... that is another discussion. If you are not "part of the scene" I would ask someone who is, if possible. No need for you to be termed "that guy" if you don't have to be.

Josh Villeneuve · · Granby, CT · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 1,814
Jake G. wrote: Hey y'all. So I don't want to make this post into a big thing but I've always tried to be a responsible climber and would like to hear what you guys have to say. Over the winter I was looking for a trad project in an area near my home. Instead what I found was a boudler field that was too good to pass up. So I dug up my old pad that I hadn't used since highschool and tried a few problems. I fell in love. I've been all over this place brushing problems that don't appear to have been climbed in years, if ever at all. One of the problems I'd like to project has a nasty hole right under it that could probably be filled in with some stumps or rocks or whatever. Me and my usual climbing partner aren't really a part of the scene and so I'm not sure what is standard practice. 

If its not a climbing area, nor some land preserve, no access issues....build the landing dude. Use dead fallen wood and compact some dirt to build something solid. 95% of the community has no idea how much work and effort go into developing 

Macks Whineturd · · Squaw · Joined May 2016 · Points: 0

Fill that thing in bro.  

Ted Pinson · · Chicago, IL · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 252

I’m sure all of the hospital staff will be super impressed by your sense of ethics.

Robert Hall · · North Conway, NH · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 28,846

I'm not a boulderer, and not a local so won't chime in on the ethics, BUT..if you do fill it in please use rock, not wood/logs.  Wood that is "underground" eventually rots leaving something worse than the hole...a "hole" you can't see.  Ask anyone who has dropped into an rotted-out tree stump.

R E R · · Southern California · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 5,027

So what are your opinions on the ethics of bush trimming? Say you see a great untouched line but there is just a little to much bush obstructing the climb. 

Anonymous · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 0

Get to work!

Wesley Neill · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Nov 2016 · Points: 645

Lol. Just fill in the hole.

I love how climbers throw the word "ethics" around. It sure is good to feel holy, even if it only comes when we talk about putting dirt in a hole.

Go volunteer at a homeless shelter or a soup kitchen. You aren't a good person because you follow climbing "ethics", and the fact that most of us are fairly selfish in all other aspects of our lives makes this conversation laughable in the extreme. 

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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