Music at the Crag

Daniel T wrote:

To throw a wrench into the mix, how should you handle it if you are climbing near a campground and the campers are playing music?

Yeah, when one is falling out of the space station does one blame it on the dulcet tones of The Dead wafting from campsite 6?

RE: earbuds from earlier.  Yes, no one wants to hear your music. If you absolutely must have music and are worried about earbuds, Aftershokz makes a really nice set of Bluetooth bone conduction headphones.  Cord free,  no annoying your crag neighbors, and since they play right through your skull, ears free to listen to your belayer too.  I own a pair that I use for cycling and walking my dog (so can listen to music and hear traffic coming) and also of solo autobelay or bouldering.

Luke Pace wrote:

I suppose it could, but an earbud will block your hearing to some degree without any music. Thank you for your opinion, I'm just looking to see what others think. What do you think about a boulder field where communication is not as important?

You are welcome to see what others think.  But that should not logically preclude me offering a clarifying statement when when you asked an open question and then disagreed with my answer.  So I clarified.
I know Earbuds decrease ability to hear to some degree.  As must any thing that reduces the prevolence of the intended conversation.  Ergo - more or less the same thing as music.
Now, if in a Boulderfield (since you asked) communication is not as important, how about an earbud?

Hobo Greg wrote:

So if there's no one else around, it's ok to do whatever you want? I've always thought ethics are what you do when no one is looking. Seems you have none.

Harsh dude......      I know when I am alone, trust me. 

The places I climb at almost never ever have other folks lurking around. 

Makes me unethical?? 

right

Stich wrote:

"Shelf Road is the only place I have had to deal with people and their little iPhone speakers or pissant Bluetooth shit systems. It all sounds like that shittyfluted Frozen song on that stuff."

Actually, I hear (see what I did there?) that the problem was in back of Der Zerkle on Sunday as well.  Joseffa and I were going to climb there, but we just kept walking.

Dylan B. wrote:

Nonsense. There are plenty of times you can be reasonably sure you’re alone. It’s absolutly possible to be in places where you can see as far if not farther than your music is projecting. I know crags where the only parking available is visible from the whole rock. Some climbing is on private property. 

If you can’t be reasonably sure, or if you become aware that others are present, then the courteous thing to do is turn it off.

Not nonsense.  Jo and I came into a crag on Sunday where a group of 6 was 'alone' and listening to music.  We left quickly.
We went to an upper area that was more quiet.  Their music followed them a bit.  It was not terrible, but it was audible when it moved.
Giving them credit, I suppose that they thought they were alone.

Best answer, if you MUST play the music when alone, not sure who might be coming, hear it and avoid the area, then at leaast as they pass close, at soonest possibility, let them know that you intend to shut it off ASAP.  And don't act put-out about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSMxFp0_U3U

Daniel T wrote:

Im never alone.  I climb with a partner and God.  Therefore I dont bring music to the crag.

Fixed it............

Hobo Greg wrote:

ALMOST never. So when they are around, and you didn't know, they had to hear your music. The attitude I keep seeing is "if no one else is around then it doesn't matter." If no one ever sees it, it's OK to toss my banana peel, and if no one hears it, it's OK if I blast my music on public lands. No, it is not OK. You don't live there. You don't just get to do whatever you want to do there. Go buy your own crag and litter the ground and the airwaves. Not on our land, please.

You can go play music almost anywhere, but where else can I find solitude besides a natural setting? Tell me to go further, sure, but I've heard boomboxes half a dozen miles from any road. How much further does one have to go?

Hobo.... It is never OK to toss your trash and trying to compare trash to noise is well .... stupid.

 I really do climb at crags where nobody goes....   I have a circuit, I get to some crags once every two years or so. And guess what?

The cobwebs fill the bolt holes and the cracks...  true that. 

If you wish I will give you some directions so you can go too.

It must be tough to only go to Josh and to have THAT as your climbing experiences. 

There is such a big world out their, its not hard to find dead silence if you wish.

Hobo Greg wrote:

The Adirondacks are one of the most remote places in the Northeast yet six miles from the car I've heard music. My climbing experience is not limited to only j tree.

People all over the place.....  you need to come out west. Go to the Domelands, Kern River, Mojave Desert .....   dead silence. 

Hobo Greg wrote:

The Adirondacks are one of the most remote places in the Northeast yet six miles from the car I've heard music.

Overall, yes, yet parts are just as crowded as the Gunks.

Tim Lutz wrote:

your pretend friend needs a capitol letter to be real?

mine is Barney, the purple dinosaur who died for my sinz

I notice you capitalized Barney, is that out of respect or fear? ...... ;)

You're so crazy Tim.......

John Barritt wrote:

Fixed it............

I don't think the imaginary magic man in the sky gives af about capitaliztion of its name - or about anything else, you know, 'cause it's imaginary.

Marc801 C wrote:

I don't think the imaginary magic man in the sky gives af about capitaliztion of its name - or about anything else, you know, 'cause it's imaginary.

Not like that is his actual name anyway, something I always find a bit odd about Christains.  Only a few actually want to use terms like Yahweh or Jehovah.

Christopher Smith wrote:

Not like that is his actual name anyway, something I always find a bit odd about Christains.  Only a few actually want to use terms like Yahweh or Jehovah.

Thanks for capitalizing............ ;)

I'll tell you what, some brews and guitars in the parking lot after a day of climbing,,, I can get behind that.

Jake Gounaris wrote:

I'll tell you what, some brews and guitars in the parking lot after a day of climbing,,, I can get behind that.

So it was you playing that music Greg heard from six miles away....... ;)

PS what kind of speakers are those?

Christopher Smith wrote:

Not like that is his actual name anyway, something I always find a bit odd about Christains.  Only a few actually want to use terms like Yahweh or Jehovah.

I always think it is funny when christians think sunday is the sabbath.

Tim Lutz wrote:

your pretend friend needs a capitol letter to be real?

mine is barney, the purple dinosaur who died for my sinz

I fixed that for ya!
(wink)

FSM!

So what's the verdict here?  It's ok to play music as long as your box goes to 11?

As long as you play only music that every other climber there likes, and wants to listen to just then, and you have a good audio system, and you're sure you aren't bothering other people out for a hike, then go for it.  Otherwise, you may just have to invest in earbuds like everyone else on Earth.

simplyput wrote:

Yeah, when one is falling out of the space station does one blame it on the dulcet tones of The Dead wafting from campsite 6?

Attn: hobo greg