What the hell happened to climbing etiquette

After a very light season last year because of injury I've finally been back at the gunks nearly every weekend (and a few weekdays) since early August.  It has honestly been great.  The only rudeness or yard-sales I've encountered have been from a few groups of older climbers top-roping gang-banging first pitches on some classics.  The great part about a lot of areas like the gunks is all you have to do is hike a little further and it's back to being empty. 

Aleks Zebastian wrote:

myum myum myum myaaammmm yesszsdzsssszszzxsszzzz@@!!!!

Aleks, did you just go super saiyan?

IcePick wrote:

Only if you learn how the quote function works.

Climbing's one of those things where people always say the last good year was the year before YOU started doing it. 

Marc801 C wrote:

Only if you learn how the quote function works.

I tried.  Didn't work on that one.  My bad

IcePick wrote:

I tried.  Didn't work on that one.  My bad

Just kidding. Some aspects aren't that obvious, others are, and the code running it has changed a few times recently for bug fixes, thus changing the behavior.

Climbing has become more mainstream...normal/average...i.e. it is now enjoyed by more of the population. The median is another way to consider average, and on average we humans are surprisingly dumb (ignorant). It's even more sobering to acknowledge that slightly less than half of the population is even dumber than average. Watching climbing change for the worse has been difficult, but the heart of it, that which resonates with me personally, is thankfully still beating.

bheller wrote:

Climbing has become more mainstream...normal/average...The median is by definition average, and on average we humans are surprisingly dumb (ignorant). 

By definition, the median is different than the average. Technicality, though.

You are right Frank...I fixed that

FrankPS wrote:

By definition, the median is different than the average. Technicality, though.

If your distribution is symmetric then the median = mean of your distribution.

Tim Lutz wrote:

feeling proud of that 14 send on the ol ticklist eh?

Absolutely.  I worked really hard for that.  Although I still need to climb a "real' 5.14. 

And even though I came off like a jerk in my above post, I still stand by my statements.  Climbing areas are going to do nothing but get more crowded.  You can either bitch and moan or adapt.

Climbing gyms don't teach etiquette.  Walk into a gym and watch how little interaction there is with other people. They take that same bs outside to the crag. Just saying 

20 kN wrote:

Isn't it still 0? 

Locker wrote:

"Aleks Zebastian                                         ·              

climbing friend"...

Every time I read that one, it cracks me up.

Best troll ever.

5.Seven-Kevin wrote:

I'm a climber so my math sucks, but if your crag had not a single piece of trash, and you multiplied it by 4.....

Isn't it still 0? 

Fucking math ...

I find it's best to go to crags that have hr long approaches. Most new climbers stick to roadside crags. 

5.Seven-Kevin wrote:

I'm a climber so my math sucks, but if your crag had not a single piece of trash, and you multiplied it by 4.....

Isn't it still 0? 

If you consider an index function, then base reference - ie: not a single piece of trash - is 1. Think of it as similar to the specific gravity of water, which is 1.000.

1990, Few climbers - 0 hot toaster strudels left at crag... 2017, x4 climbers x4 hot toaster strudels = 4 toaster strudels for me? 

And as we like to say.. "all these climbers are ruining climbing".

As others have noted, it seems people just don't know better.  I don't believe they're setting out to be dopes lacking protocol they just haven't learned otherwise.  The litter discussion should have started with Mom but in regards to climbing.... lack of mentors is a problem.

On a recent trip to Kalymnos, the place is filled with climbers from all over the globe.  Some areas are crowded, others not.  Everyone makes due and either moves along or is able to climb together without issue.    

With exception of this couple from Boston, USA.  On a wall that has multiple lines to choose from selects a route next to ours.  No biggy except that our particular route shared the last 4 bolts and anchor of the route they wanted to get on.  I communicated this to Russ to pass along to the base crew (which he did).  I also noted that the route wasn't that good and to speed things up I'd strip it on the way down if they could give me a few minutes.  NOPE!  Dude starts climbing and sure as shit had me waiting to come down as he was gripped out and he'd be wearing my ass as a hat as I lowered onto him.    

WTH right?  Not only did we tell him the route would have a collision with one that we were already on, but we offered to speed up the process by having my partner skip his turn.  I found this to be beyond rude and once down my old-lady, you guys are dicks attitude was pretty evident.  

Did they do this on purpose?  Probably not and could tell by their climbing style and ability level they just didn't know better.  But geesh, we people give you clues.... follow them!

Marc801 C wrote:

If you consider an index function, then base reference - ie: not a single piece of trash - is 1. Think of it as similar to the specific gravity of water, which is 1.000.

Then again 'not a single' could mean 'double'/'triple'/etc ... Hurrah for English!  ...