How do you like this tether/ rappel extension ?

It is redundant for rappel mode, when both biners are clipped to the harness. It can be used as a tether. The tether can be extended by untying the frost knot.

It seems like an overly complicated solution to a scenario that has many simpler, lighter alternatives already established.

A problem in search of a problem.

NateC wrote:It seems like an overly complicated solution to a scenario that has many simpler, lighter alternatives already established.

This is quite simple, for me at least.

I like to climb heavy, so others can keep up ;)

Those middle loops should maybe be shorter so I can get better extension without untying.

I would assume it would never balance a load on the anchor. It will always be pulling on one more than the other since there is basically 2 knots at the anchor point (even if there isn't the strands coming off it will pull more to one side or the other creating imbalance vs always pulling on the knot downward and balancing it out).

Why not use a double runner that you're already carrying up the route as an alpine runner?

Introducing complexity leads to accidents. Find the simplest solution, do it the same way every time...

On second thought, I don't need a redundant connection to the belay biner since I'm using a shunt to back the rappel, and the shunt is connected to the belay loop.

Since you asked, i dont like it.

What.

sean.haynes wrote:Since you asked, i dont like it.

I don't like it anymore, myself. If I didn't have the shunt, I'd still like it.

Your still safer / better off with a single strand of webbing with a single water knot tying them together. Than all you have to do is tie an overhand for the master point and it is redundant, balanced, and safe.

Less knots in the system the better since knots are where they will always fail first.

What was I thinking?!

I should have been using the BoB instead of the frost knot thingy to create the middle (belay biner) loops. Muuuuuch better!

I disagree, great idea. Here is an alarm clock you might like.

John Wilder wrote:I never understood the appeal of an extended rappel setup. I suppose it works nicely if you're guiding someone and you want to set them up before you go down, but yeah, not a fan of the concept and this looks like an overly complicated version of an already overly complicated solution to a non problem.

It's for paranoid guys like me who want to eliminate the possibility of rappel failure due to flipping upside down, which can happen with the leg-loop prusik and no rappel extension.

NateC wrote:It seems like an overly complicated solution to a scenario that has many simpler, lighter alternatives already established.

True. But if he adds a 3rd leg to it and throws in a few clove hitches, he can flip it upside down and make a superduper, equalizing, Moss-o-lette anchor out of it. It's GOT to be better than anything else out there. I mean, just LOOK AT IT.

In rappelling, it seems that failure in the area you're trying to fix, is not very common. Check, double check, triple check. Don't get caught being complacent. Knot the ends of the rope.

What the fuck

I don't like it either.

Try a double length sewn nylon sling. Your attachment to the belay device doesn't have to be redundant. Drop the shut and back it up with a sterling hollow block. If you have an extension an auto block can and should be off your belay loop, rather than the leg loop.

on second thought:
Why?

for the record, there has been one fatality canyoning where the autoblock on the leg loop contributed. however, is was a small component that contextually is less important than the judgement of the individual. I i dont like this. its overly complicated and requires too much time. get a 240cm sling fold it in half, pass it through your tie-ins and knot it . you now have 4 strands of webbing making two fully redundant loops off your harness.

AHHHHHH! Stop, please!