Fuck yeah amendment 64

Kevin Landolt wrote:It's true that most drug addicts began using pot before they moved onto their vice of choice, but it's also true that every Hell's Angel rode a bicycle at some point before they invested in a Harley.

^^^ WINNER!!! ^^^

von dykes wrote:A drug is a drug...its only a symptom of a bigger problem within. Acquiring coping and life skills through either steps and higher power or whatever floats your boat. A drug is a drug!

Have you ever tried any Caffeine?

camhead wrote: More broadly, this is just a sign (along with rising racial diversity of voters, democratic passing of marriage equality, and voters' rejection of Republican rape-mongers like Mourdoch and Akin) that the old "Silent Majority" Nixon/Reagan coalition that held the Republican Party together since the early 70s is breaking down. Really interesting time.

Again, as I stated before, this issue here should represent the coming of the Libertarians to replace the RRW Republicans. If they can adapt and modify some (ie: distance itself from Objectivism), the Libertarians may attract both the left and right leaning moderates once the current run of Progressives has us in severe economic crisis.

Red wrote: Have you ever tried any Caffeine?

von dykes = elenor. Not hard to spot anymore

Just one question to Lynn how many of the addicts at your clinic are there court mandated? I only ask because I got arrested In mass when I was 17 or 18 for possession of grass, had about 2 grams. I was ordered to 16 weeks of out patient rehab 32 aa meetings( two a week). That will make any one say or do whatever they can to end it. Oh ya and 2 years supervised probation at 50 a week....first and only run in with the law.

Mike Lane wrote: von dykes = elenor. Not hard to spot anymore

Good eye, I concur!

Kyle Blase wrote:I vote we ban Lynn S from this site. What kind of climber thinks that weed is something you should be in rehab for? I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for psychedelics to be legalized in my lifetime.

I am just offering help if anyone wants it. Once again I am just relating my experience with the people I work with.

At no point did i say that every person who smokes dope needs rehab. With that being said then yes my population is unique.

There are actually quite a few climbers out there who don't smoke dope. It is my choice and the choice of quite a few others.

You may chose to smoke and I am not here to stop you, it is your choice.

Ban me from MP? If that makes you feel better have at it. However this forum thread has brought me a great number of laughs.

jake 356 wrote:Just one question to Lynn how many of the addicts at your clinic are there court mandated? I only ask because I got arrested In mass when I was 17 or 18 for possession of grass, had about 2 grams. I was ordered to 16 weeks of out patient rehab 32 aa meetings( two a week). That will make any one say or do whatever they can to end it. Oh ya and 2 years supervised probation at 50 a week....first and only run in with the law.

We may get one or two a year that fit that scenario. Not the typical situation for my workplace.

Mike Lane wrote: Again, as I stated before, this issue here should represent the coming of the Libertarians to replace the RRW Republicans. If they can adapt and modify some (ie: distance itself from Objectivism), the Libertarians may attract both the left and right leaning moderates once the current run of Progressives has us in severe economic crisis.

+1. This is the model I hope to see happen, even though Gary Johnson didn't get the 5% mark he needed.

Either way the Repulicans need to change their model or we will be a one party system.

Kyle Blase wrote:never once have I heard of someone getting too high and then going home and beating their wife.

Unless that bitch ate all the cheetos!

Seriously though, I was a drinker in college (didn't smoke much pot) and found myself waking up while hugging the toilet on a number of occasions. Not to mention the hangovers/vomiting lasting pretty long throughout the day. I'm sure most of us have been there at least once. I've also woken up with scratches and blood all over my body because I was drunk and decided to make some epic snow angels, not caring that what I thought was snow was actually just really hard, really sharp hard-pack covered in ice. It's not fun, and most certainly not good for your body.

When I got older and got a real job, the stresses and anxiety from work (and sometimes just ordinary life) would get to me and I found pot really helped me relax, let go, and get a good nights sleep. No matter how much I smoke, I wake up refreshed and ready to go with no ill effects. Sure, I've gotten high enough that everybody in the room turns into the teacher from Charlie Brown, or the ball of tinfoil in the garbage turns into a T-Rex, but it's always the same story...I go to sleep, wake up, and everything is 100%.

Also, drinking enough to the feel the effects usually takes me about 3 beers (depending on what's in my stomach), which is going to be at LEAST $4 or so if you're at home and not drinking crap. Bar tabs in college had run me close to triple-digits for just myself. While a quarter oz of weed, smoked daily, would last a couple months...probably about $1/day.

Anybody that can criticize weed while drinking a beer is just plain stupid.

ErikaNW wrote: Not sure what the stats say about average age of card holders in Colorado - just observing the crowds that attend the Friday Happy Hour (yes they have this at the dispensary near my office....) where they have music and give away t-shirts and basically have a party on the sidewalk. Very 'medical' lol - maybe smoking keeps them all looking really young! Like I said, be honest and call it what it is. BTW, I do agree that medical marijuana is a godsend for those who need it, and those people are definitely out there - not wanting to imply in anyway that it is solely recreational.

last year the fastest growing sector of the population holding MMJ cards was the over-60 crowd. Let's not be shocked, because if you grew up in the 60's, you are over 60. So, hippies still like the stuff. Go figure.
Perhaps your experience with the happy hour is simply the demographic that wants/needs to do it there. Most older/experienced folks who partake (of whatever) don't see the need/benefit of doing it in public right after work. Maybe they are more responsible and think twice about how they are intending to get home afterwards, or simply want to go get dinner and relax first. That's my guess. I'm nto a straight edge, but if there were a happy hour for something I prefer that was in legally dubious standing, I wouldn't be hanging out at the place trying to get the cops to photograph me, follow me, search me, record my locations, and then try to figure out how to drive home. I prefer to go home, have a nice meal, change out of work clothes, get my errands done, then go have a Beer(*)

Here's why I support the change in law even though MJ is my least favorite way (I don't like it) of altering my state of mind.
1) It is and always was a dumb idea to make something 25% of all people do a criminal offense with potential jail time involved.
2) It's less harmful than some if not most of the alternatives.
3) All the efforts to stop it have only created a problem worse than the drug itself. I have no idea how many people died in MJ related car accidents. But I bet it's fewer than died in Mexico last year in the drug war or in the cartels. I have no idea how many families were torn apart by drug use, but I bet it is fewer than the drug war.
4) Cops attending to MJ cases are not attending to other cases, prison cells and courtrooms holding MJ cases are not holding other cases.

F&^%. Legalize it all. I'll smoke the exact same amount of weed next year as I smoked last year anyway. And it will be the exact same amount as I did of heroin and meth: 0.

Maybe someday we can talk about legalizing the other stuff when people realize that this isn't any worse than the black market.

(*) = Or what have you. I mean, seriously, if I was to be doing something illegal, I wouldn't be bragging about it.

Scott McMahon wrote: +1. This is the model I hope to see happen, even though Gary Johnson didn't get the 5% mark he needed. Either way the Repulicans need to change their model or we will be a one party system.

Put a stake in their hearts so that the Goldwater republicans or something like that can come back... Meanwhile, yeah, remember that the progressive courts, legislature, and execs are the ones who advocate for all this federal power.

Just curious... do you MJ smokers think it harms your lungs?

Old Crusty wrote:Just curious... do you MJ smokers think it harms your lungs?

Yes I do, which is why I bought a vaporizer. At the same time, though, I think that sitting around a campfire with the occasional gust of smoke in your face, or the hobby welding that I do in my garage are both more dangerous for my health. If I can mitigate that danger though, I'll try to.

I've never thought of MJ as a big deal and I'm not surprised by 64 passing because so many people I know feel the same way. It's just pot. Maybe now it will be less glorified than it has been?

I think this shows the growing diversity and maturity of voters in this country. There is really no reason to villainize or rigorously control MJ, as it is just another alcohol (less lethal) and just ends up costing courts and prisons money and wasting the police dept.'s time.

Don't really smoke, but might I might just have to have a celebratory hit once it's legal. Congratulations to those who have worked to put this on the ballot for me to say "yes" to. :)

Lynn S wrote: ...Once again I am just relating my experience with the people I work with.

You may want to consider the bias naturally created by the universe of people you are exposed to. Of course it appears as though marijuana is a gateway to harder drugs when you're working with people who are addicted to harder drugs.

But, there are far, far more people who try or use marijuana but don't move on to harder drugs.

So at least one study that was good enough to make it into JAMA showing no emphysema. Anybody have data/opinion on other lung disease such as chronic bronchitis, malignancy, etc?

Jake Jones wrote:The study above was about lung function and capacity, not long term harm that may or may not occur. Chronic bronchitis was one thing that was mentioned that is a distinct possibility. So, if you use the article to prove definitively that it doesn't "harm the lungs", it doesn't state that. I'm not anti-pot by any stretch. I'm just being a bored dick and stirring the pot. Flame on :D

I don't doubt that MJ is harmful to the body. But compared to other drugs, even legal ones... it's really not that bad, if you don't mind a lower IQ or a suppressed pituitary gland (lower sex drive...). Of course, that is with chronic use. AND there are reported benefits to using it as well. That said, I'm glad it's legal. It should be our choice.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/249508.php

http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/marijuana-and-sex

now let's hear from all the stoners with large brains and libidos retort... :)

Lynn S,
Some of the most significant works of art, science, music, theatre, research, sculpture, design, athletics, medicine, film, literture, etc, have been done while the creator was inspired by this naturally accurring plant god placed on earth for us.
Please explain how a few people that can't handle life's psychological options should be the decision makers for all humanity to be banned. The people you treat used their mothers milk as a gateway drug. Should they have been denied that? Their brains are broken and it has nothing to do with "hippie lettuce" or their mothers milk.
According to your logic tricycles should be banned because people eventually move up to a road bike and get hit by a car.

Please articulate your view and help us understand an opinion that seems to be incredibly narrow minded.

Rick McL wrote:Lynn S, Some of the most significant works of art, science, music, theatre, research, sculpture, design, athletics, film, literture, etc, have been done while the creator was inspired by this naturally accurring plant god placed on earth for us.

I love the whole argument that it's from the earth and it's natural so it's good for you. So is poison ivy, botulism, hemlock, and belladonna.