Cleaning up MP--Post Deletions

They did run off KC though, they weren't all bad. Wish Bob D would have stuck around.

Glenn Schuler wrote:They did run off KC though, they weren't all bad. Wish Bob D would have stuck around.

Yes, Bob D and other folks who had contributed greatly to the climbing community (and route database) were run off by the trolls. A real shame.

Keenan Waeschle wrote: great, so imagine if you'd wrote that same thing in a way that was more condescending and superior (admit it you feel superior) and it got deleted. That would get old, wouldn't it? you might be acting like a dickhead but you were justified because my views were just so stupid. If it bothers you either post up how you feel or go away. but don't delete what people post. That's lame.

No, I never said if you used big fancy words it made things ok. Look at my post again. Did you see attitude in there? That doesn't exclude poetic attitude or academic attitude.

But by all means, if you feel the need to rip someone to shreds and be a jerk, go for it and see what you can get away with. Just remember what people will think about you with how you treat other people.

JLP wrote:Bob D was king of the trolls. He used this site for his own vanity. I fail to see any "contribution" beyond that. In the forums, he was one of the first to rip into anyone, and couldn't handle the same in return. Good riddance.

Like him or hate him - he's put up a lot of routes for a LOT of years. Why don't you go over to the Taco and argue with him over there?

Andy Laakmann wrote: Yes, Bob D and other folks who had contributed greatly to the climbing community (and route database) were run off by the trolls. A real shame.

Glenn Schuler wrote:Why don't you go over to the Taco and argue with him over there?

You're telling me someone got run off by the MP trolls but posts on SuperTopo?

Right. That would be like complaining that your 4" dildo hurts too much to sit on then promptly repeat the stunt with a traffic cone.

Let's not get carried away here. People lose interest and move on. You don't get run-off a corner of the internet, you realize pissing in the breeze isn't worth your time...

Boissal wrote: People lose interest and move on. You don't get run-off a corner of the internet, you realize pissing in the breeze isn't worth your time...

It was.... complicated I guess. I'm not defending Bob's personality, I've never even climbed with him. But to compare him to the likes of Yarp, JQ or any of the recent trolls is way off the mark IMO.

muttonface wrote:I think mods are really creating more work for themselves. There will always be new users that are dicks. There will always be thread hijacking that turns into pissing contests in ANY public forum. It could be a crocheting forum and that would happen. It's just the nature of semi-anonymous venues. You're not going to utterly stamp it out. And for each person that you satisfy by censoring, there's probably a person that is dissatisfied because it's now boring or monotonous or just too goddamned shiny/happy. So who do you please? If someone can't handle being called a noob, having it pointed out that they're annoying, post too much, spray drivel, are a poser, are just flat out wrong, then they probably shouldn't be here in the first place. They should be at home with a lip-tight seal around mommy's nipple. So what if a thread drags out? It's ok if it's way off topic and filled with bullshit as long as no one's wittle feewins get hurt? There are as many threads that diverge into something totally different because of hilarity as there are because two users get into a personal pissing match. Some people need to hear that they don't know shit. I myself have been rudely told that I was trying to look like I knew something that I was utterly clueless about. And you know what? Although I was rubbed the wrong way, they were right. Some people need to be coddled. Some people need to feel this sense of community with a bunch of people- the vast majority of whom they will never meet in their lives. I don't think that one is more ridiculous and unecessary than the other. The point is that to take away one, you're inadvertently encouraging the other, and that changes the atmosphere here that most of us really like. I basically just wrote a novel on what Stich managed to say in a few sentences. So yeah; I agree.

+1. As a regular lurker here, I do enjoy ALL of what MP has to offer. I think the carnival atmosphere as described by other posters actually increases the sense of community and makes MP much more interesting site to visit. I also disagree with the notion that just because only a select few people are posting, that everyone else has been "scared off". I for one often read many of these of these posts and I typically learn something from them, even if its just "so and so is a dick". Lastly, I agree that there are ways to censor without make the place feel sterilized, and this thread kind of had that feeling.

I vote for the block user functionality that came up in an earlier, similar thread. Hell, I might even contribute money to have a developer create it. And, I'm being serious.

These discussion are getting really fucking repetitive and boring. Sure, people "should" be able to exhibit self restraint and not read/reply/etc. But, people "should" be able to do a lot of stuff they don't do. Just give them the ability to choose to never see posts from certain people. I've seen it used on a lot of forums and it seems to work pretty well.

I think the moderators are doing a great job, by the way, and I have absolutely no issue with the post deletion. But, if people could block other users, the moderators wouldn't have to do it nearly as much and we could all sit around this virtual campfire singing kumbaya.

@Hobo

Naw, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying you dont have to insult someone when you disagree with them.

What you guys seem to be ok with is disagreeing AND insulting them at the same time.

In my book disagreeing is ok, but not adding insult to that.

Hope that cleared it up for you.

It's been my gradual observation over the years that after the small groups of bad actors were "cencored" (if you must use that word) and or kicked off/left, that the site actually got better for a while.
There were long bouts of peace that broke out after certain people took their ball and went home, or in some cases, were sent home to go play alone.
I didn't notice that the site died with that.

I don't suspect it will this time either. What, 13 years and counting?

And what would have happened if they had stayed or the admins done nothing?

Some other sites allow you to block your view of another user's posts but that doesn't really address at all how the threads sometimes might appear to the average person, climber or not.

This is a private site, end of story.

I suppose that means that somebody ultimately HAS to decide what the tone of the place is going to be.

I seriously doubt--knowing personally folks who post here and elsewhere--that MP is going to go down the tube.

Jason N. wrote: I think the carnival atmosphere as described by other posters actually increases the sense of community and makes MP much more interesting site to visit. I also disagree with the notion that just because only a select few people are posting, that everyone else has been "scared off". I for one often read many of these of these posts and I typically learn something from them, even if its just "so and so is a dick". Lastly, I agree that there are ways to censor without make the place feel sterilized, and this thread kind of had that feeling.

It increases the sense of community the way a handle goes around a campfire. That's pretty interesting for awhile, too, until the funniest guy falls into the fire, Johnny Old Trad is spitting bloody chicklets for deriding Beanie O'Chalksalot's PAS (who just shattered his hand and will never crank another 11b), and Yarp just walked off with somebody's girlfriend. I'll let you guess who's the dick.

coldfinger wrote:Some other sites allow you to block your view of another user's posts but that doesn't really address at all how the threads sometimes might appear to the average person, climber or not...

If some users can't see others, the threads don't end up being an off-topic argument between those users. Doesn't solve the problem entirely but it would definitely help.

My question, why so sensitive about deleted posts? Macho men crying about lack of freedom? Start your own website and make up your own rules. Should be easy for a bunch of wise asses.

coldfinger wrote: "Help help I'm being oppressed!"

Boissal wrote: There were no cries for help in 1984 but I'll let that one slide.

That's a reference to Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

I hear you on the selective screening, but I'm not cool with folks being dickish or calling people out. The reason is that sh*t is still being said.

It pollutes the whole thing imho.

Spri wrote: Just remember what people will think about you with how you treat other people.

The stuff I post on here is completely opposite how I am in real life, even though my profile is my real name and everything I still will not climb with most of the people on here. I'm a very mild mannered and much more apt to keep my mouth shut when hanging out with people in real life, but on here it's much more fun to tell people their questions are stupid. If you ever are in the bozeman area drop me a PM, I would be more than happy to get out climbing and carry out polite and respectful conversation. However I also like to have to right to be an ass.

If MP was just a bunch of threads with honest answers about what chalk bag joe shmo should buy or the risks of a PAS I wouldn't frequent the site. Stuff like that isn't rocket science, you can figure it out on your own.

I've posted on climbing forums asking about aid climbing and ice climbing, sure it was noobish, but I got answers mixed in with sarcastic responses. I'm happy, the sarcastic posters are happy, we all benefit. Mods deleting shit takes away from that system.

Yes Keenan, you act like a 19yearold. You will hopefully grow up one day.

s.price wrote: Much better to get ass than be one.

sometimes takes one to get the other.

And tom, look man, I'm sure I'll mellow out and tire of being a tool to people on the internet, fortunately there will be younger generations to take my place and I can play your role. oh boy those will be the days.

s.price wrote: I'm sure we would all feel you contribute if you were not constantly defending yourself.

Ah yes, because this thread isn't about attacks and arguments to defend one's viewpoint.

Funny too, because I thought you lived for these threads.