HTF Do I drop 20 permanently

Jay Tanzman wrote:Given the sheer amount of nonsense in this thread, I'm hesitant to get involved. The question of how to lose weight permanently has been resolved: you must consume fewer calories than you burn until you reach your target weight, and then you must vigorously monitor your caloric intake for the rest of your life. Studies have shown that this is the pattern followed by the approximately 2% of dieters who maintain their weight loss for the long term. Here is my advice, for anyone interested in a no-nonsense, science-based approach to weight loss. Jay

But, but, but what about the toxins? If I didn't fast three days a week and do a colon cleanse on the fourth, I have no idea how I would function. I would feel tired all of the time due to all of the toxins my body accumulates on a daily basis.

Here's a question. Part of my program is that I now am taking 2L's of green tea to work. What are some favorite things you all add (like ginseng,for example)? I can't say I'm fully gluten-free, but have decided to eliminate the obvious glutens and already feel the weird sugar cravings.
When I started this last week, I was at 211; as of now 204.

JohnWesely wrote: But, but, but what about the toxins? If I didn't fast three days a week and do a colon cleanse on the fourth, I have no idea how I would function. I would feel tired all of the time due to all of the toxins my body accumulates on a daily basis.

I hope this is a sarcastic post, because I always find myself wondering, what are these nefarious toxins? As a chemist I would love for someone to give me the chemical formulas of these compounds.

Mike Lane wrote:I was at 211; as of now 204.

Nice!!!

I used caloriecount.about.com to keep track of what i ate throught the day. i went from 235 to 219 in about 3-4 weeks last September. Eat health, drink water, stay active!!!

Coeus wrote: I hope this is a sarcastic post, because I always find myself wondering, what are these nefarious toxins? As a chemist I would love for someone to give me the chemical formulas of these compounds.

+1 Except for being a chemist. However, I am in a chemistry class. Does that count?

Jay Knower wrote: I could not agree more. I removed all gluten from my diet over a year ago, and I now have more energy and get fewer headaches. I also lost weight, and I just feel more healthy.

Careful Jay! Don't lose too much more weight or we'll lose you in one of those Nor'easters.

Are you guys coming down to the Red this spring?

I have always wondered about something in the 'calories in = calories out + storage' mindset. I wonder how many calories there are in your poop, and how the percentage of the calories that you eat which end up in your poop vary based on the kinds of food you eat.

Mike Anderson wrote: Careful Jay! Don't lose too much more weight or we'll lose you in one of those Nor'easters. Are you guys coming down to the Red this spring?

Ha! Kayte and I would like to climb at the Red this spring, but we bought a ticket to JTree instead. I just need to be in the sun for a while.

Jesse Davidson wrote:I have always wondered about something in the 'calories in = calories out + storage' mindset.

It's not a mindset; it's an understanding. The energy content of foods that is listed in nutrition tables is "physiologic energy," the total energy of the food minus the amounts not absorbed or metabolized.

Jay

jay, just out of curiosity, does it vary much from person to person (ie do different people digest items more thoroughly, etc)? i've kind of always had the same sort of question.

I would disagree somewhat with the whole "carbs are the enemy" craze. Carbs are very necessary for good nutrition. The trick is to eat complex carbs (like whole grain wheat)that provide long-term energy and avoid simple carbs (like sugars and enriched or bleached wheat) that only provide short-term energy bursts. I would also encourage you not to restrict calories in your diet (I mean restricting it to less than 2,000). Eating 1,000 calories or something like that will only slow down your metabolism (because it thinks you are starving), so when you start eating regular amounts again you will retain more calories. Eat 2,000 to 2,500 calories a day depending on your size and get good exercise.

Exercise is where people blow it. Consider this: when running, you burn about 10 calories per minute. Therefore a 30-min jog will burn 300 calories. There are 3,500 calories in a pound of body fat, so you will have to do about 11 30 min jogs to lose one pound. This is a bit discouraging as it seems like a lot of work for only a little reward. Also it is really easy to offset any advantage you gained from your workout with a poor diet. For example, one 20 oz Coke has 240 calories and virtually no nutritional value. You will have to jog for 24 minutes to burn off that one coke. And recent studies suggest that diet soda might be even worse. By tricking your body into thinking its going to get calories and then not providing, new theory suggests that this throws off your metabolism so that it will store calories when it does get them. In other words, quit drinking soda entirely. Fruit juice is better, even though it has just as many (maybe more) calories because at least it provides vitamins and other necessary nutrients.

Anyway, that's a few things I have learned over the years. I think that the main point is that you cant lose weight with diet alone, at least not permanently. You MUST exercise regularly too.

AGParker wrote:In my personal weight loss experiences, I only lose weight when I am hungry most of the day. That is my best indicator that I am losing weight.

I'ma agree with this.

I've also found that it seems like clients of mine who claimed they always had a hard time gaining weight usually did not actually eat very much at all on a daily basis....and were very inconsistent in their eating patterns. Sure, they could go out to a restaurant and totally put the food away like nobody's business (and all their friends would claim this person ate A LOT but just stayed skinny), but when I would track them on a more consistent basis, they would often tell me they ate virtually nothing all day many days a week, had generally limited appetites, etc.

slim wrote:jay, just out of curiosity, does it vary much from person to person (ie do different people digest items more thoroughly, etc)? i've kind of always had the same sort of question.

I don't really know how much between-person variation there is. I just looked up digestibility percentages for amino acid in one study, and the percentages, which were averages across five or six subjects, were greater than 90% for most amino acids. Unfortunately, the authors did not report intelligible standard deviations or confidence intervals for those means; however, average percentages greater than 90% don't leave much room for between-subject variation. For an amino acid with a mean digestibility of 92%, I'd say that a reasonable guess for the range among subjects would be 89–95%.

Jay

JLP wrote: I'm not sure about all that stuff you just Googled, but I can say my own "variation" is large. If I eat bad food, I usually crap big and soon compared to what I ate. Some foods it's almost like - "holy cow - where did all this come from?" If I eat better food, it's the opposite. I had a conversation once with a nurse who described many different stool formations and what they indicated. I can't recall anything except "toothpaste" is good. This all reminds me that the scariest, largest and most disturbing turds I've ever seen always seem to be clogging up bathrooms in truck stops. I'd need a c-section to pass some of those things. I don't think truck stop food is good for you.

Unfortunately the research team who designed and conducted a carefully controlled experiment on amino acid digestibility and absorption weren't aware of your data on clogged toilets at truck stops. Too bad; it would have saved them a lot of work.

Jay

JLP wrote: My carefully conducted Google search suggested ~ 40-50% of calories.

Huh? That sentence makes no sense.

JLP wrote:No idea how many aminos that is . . .

Huh?

JLP wrote:nor if either answer the question asked.

Huh? Either what?

JLP wrote:Some of even the most "intelligent" of these studies reek of 23 yr olds more interested in graduation than the advancement of turd science.

Evidence to back up that claim?

JLP wrote:I therefore don't find my observations as irrelevant nor adequately explained.

Basically an argument from ignorance: you don't understand the science; therefore, your unscientific arguments are superior.

JLB wrote:BTW - what is it you do for work?

Why do you ask? Do you think what we "do for work" should bear upon our ability to discuss nutrition? If so, then that goes for what you "do for work" too. You've posted opinions on digestibility of foods that you've more-or-less literally pulled out of your ass. I'll post up what I "do for work" if you will, ok?

Jay

JLP wrote: I'm not sure about all that stuff you just Googled, but I can say my own "variation" is large. If I eat bad food, I usually crap big and soon compared to what I ate. Some foods it's almost like - "holy cow - where did all this come from?" If I eat better food, it's the opposite. I had a conversation once with a nurse who described many different stool formations and what they indicated. I can't recall anything except "toothpaste" is good. This all reminds me that the scariest, largest and most disturbing turds I've ever seen always seem to be clogging up bathrooms in truck stops. I'd need a c-section to pass some of those things. I don't think truck stop food is good for you.

JLP is talking some shit there!

I hate the rabbit pellets! My favorite is the snake.

The solution is pretty simple - stop spraying all over the internet and get out and go climbing.

do more, eat less