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Rob Dillon wrote:If your follower can't figure this moderate classic out for himself, then please go vandalize something at Shelf and take your chalking finger with you.

Amen Rob. I find it highly ironic that you write this on the same day that I, Claudius (bolted crack at Shelf) is the Route of the Day.

"Safening" climbing is like any other religion. You're not going to convince people it doesn't have to be that way, so now what do we do?
Read the thread on the "rap tree is not safe on the Vertigo Raps" and you'll see mroe of the same sort of thing.

Is this really that big of a fuggen deal. I know it sucks and shit, but come the fuck on, did it really ruin your whole trip. Lighten up. So there are some tick Marks in the desert, people are morons.

This shit isn't as easily fixed as a bolt on a route and in my dimwitted opinion it is not really comparable. With the Hose, the Ophir boys just went out and chopped the fucken thing. With ticks on Desert routes it is kind of hard to just wipe off or see them washed away by rain like they are in other places. I say worry about the shit you can fix.

FYI- I don't climb with chalk..."wasn't me"

Brent, how can you be so sure? No really kudos and props for chalkless climbing

If you climb in the desert, especially on sandstone ther is no need to use extra chalk. most desert sandstone is gritty and porous enough to take the place of chalk. I have never understood why "those" climbers feel they need to show everyone else where the holds are, and carve their messages in the rock. I say let each person discover each route for themselves. you are right it isnt the gym, and we dont need to see the line of color taped holds extending above us.

Mofo doesn't use chalk cause he is a cheap effin bastard

Leave no trace! This pretty much sums it up. I can't believe someone carved a warning in the rock. Are you fu@$'in kidding me!? If you must use chalk make an extra donation to the access fund so they can help offset your actions. I do use chalk when needed and support the fund, but I detest tick marks.
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The Climbing Curmudgeon says, "It's our own fault! The beliefs of others are accepted simply because they are different, rather than because they are consistent and reasonable. Our culture teaches us to value the diversity of opinions, rather than giving us the means to arrive at a reasonable consensus. It's a load of touchie-feelie crap, and it must end before the last vestiges of wilderness are overrun by sissy retro-bolters and rock defacers!"

Climbing Curmudgeon says, "Climbing sucks, because it is being overrun by wimps and cowards, on each side of every argument. It's time to realize that the collision of two dogmas can only be resolved one way, and the longer that takes, the more environmental damage that will be done in the interim."

The Climbing Curmudgeon commands the righteous to grow some spine, and put some penalty to these egregious transgressions! Ridiculing the guilty on the internet is a waste of time. It's time to start handing out beatings!

Climbing Curmudgeon says, "You whine, I'll fight!"

Or, I could take the safe way out - fix my hair one more time, buy a shiny new 4-Runner, cut off my nuts, and join in the defiling of our holy lands. At least I'll fit in better.