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Three Doves

5.8+, Trad, 210 ft (64 m), 2 pitches,  Avg: 3.3 from 309 votes
FA: Dave Ingalls, Al Rubin, Richie Petrowich, 1968
New York > Gunks > Trapps > h. The Arrow Wall - CCK

Description

A beautiful three-star route next to Annie Oh!, Limelight, and Arrow.

P1: 80 feet of classic climbing. The guide says to start on either side of large block; the right side seems easier. Wander up the face above, passing one roof by a notch on its left then moving right under the next small roof. Make a few cruxy moves up the face above, then follow low angle climbing back left to the belay ledge. Use one of several big trees to belay.

P2: 80'. More great climbing! From the tree, follow the path of least resistance to a ledge with a smaller tree ~40 feet up and left. There's not much pro if you go straight up (but it's more fun!); otherwise, head right and then back left for easier terrain and better pro. You'll find a nice move just below a pin, then a couple of thin moves after the pin to a nice rest, under the roof. Traverse right , then up the diagonal crack/notch to the chain anchor. This pitch wanders a lot - beware of rope drag!

The 2nd pitch has some great moves -- it's one of the nicest pitches at the Gunks.

Rappel: Two 60m ropes get you within a few feet of the ground (with stretch - watch the ends). Alternatively, a single rap brings you down to the first pitch tree, and will keep you out of the way of other climbers.

Location

Location: About 14 minutes down the carriage road, the carriage road turns gently right where a river of white rocks meet the road.

Protection

Standard Gunks rack. Rated PG; several solid 5.8+ moves above a fixed pin of uncertain reliability.

The pin on P2 has good gear several feet below it, and can be backed up with a small micronut.

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Making the move after the piton. Perfect rock and excellent moves, get on it!
[Hide Photo] Making the move after the piton. Perfect rock and excellent moves, get on it!
Laurent on the traverse under the overhang
[Hide Photo] Laurent on the traverse under the overhang
Ian wrapping up the traverse
[Hide Photo] Ian wrapping up the traverse
Virginie on 2nd pitch...
[Hide Photo] Virginie on 2nd pitch...
Tabo leading P1 of Three Doves 5.8+ (Gunks, NY)
[Hide Photo] Tabo leading P1 of Three Doves 5.8+ (Gunks, NY)
Agnieszka on Three Doves (5.9) 9/2019
[Hide Photo] Agnieszka on Three Doves (5.9) 9/2019
fun moves on perfect rock exiting the P2 traverse
[Hide Photo] fun moves on perfect rock exiting the P2 traverse
The beautiful and blank second pitch of 3 doves. Climb it.
[Hide Photo] The beautiful and blank second pitch of 3 doves. Climb it.
Laurent pulling the 2nd pitch crux
[Hide Photo] Laurent pulling the 2nd pitch crux
2nd pitch of Three Doves.  From here, the route breaks left to the trees in the upper left corner, climbs a steep, blank face with the pin, and then traverses back right along the roof.
[Hide Photo] 2nd pitch of Three Doves. From here, the route breaks left to the trees in the upper left corner, climbs a steep, blank face with the pin, and then traverses back right along the roof.

Comments [Hide ALL Comments]

Monomaniac
Morrison, CO
 
[Hide Comment] P.1 is nothin special, but p.2 is excellent, intricate face-climbing on stellar white quartzite. Jun 14, 2009
Tim Schafstall
Newark, DE
[Hide Comment] The rock at the Gunks is not quartzite, it's quartz conglomerate.
But it is pretty and white ;-) Jul 22, 2009
Aaron Moskowitz
Philadelphia
 
[Hide Comment] #3 BD Micro Nut also backs up the 2nd pitch pin. Couldn't get my other nuts in. Astro Nuts or HBs may work too. Aug 22, 2011
[Hide Comment] Little brassie works well there. Aug 24, 2011
lin murphy
boulder
[Hide Comment] before the 2nd pitch pin, I put in a #2 blue master pro cam = green alien. Might have slowed me down.

I also agree that the Gunks are classified as a quartz conglomerate, a sedimentary rather than a metamorphic rock. But, some areas, like around Arrow, seem to be micro crystalline quartz, which suggests metamorphism. I have not researched this, but believe that what may have happened is that the quartz from the sand grains and pebbles went into solution and later precipitated as micro crystalline quartz, like chalcedony or jasper. This could have happened without the entire cliff being metamorphosed.

That is why the rock is so glassy and smooth, like quartzite, e.g, Unita climbing NE of SLC.
We also noticed on Disneyland that there are faulted glassy surfaces, slickensides, between the horizontal layers. So there has been some movement horizontally between the layers that causes glassy surfaces. Nov 28, 2011
Larry S
Easton, PA
[Hide Comment] Weird crux pro beta - rather than a micronut, a BD #10 sideways locks in a few inches below the pin. Yeah, the one side is only half making contact, but it's pretty solid. I tried a #1 DMM peanut and it was too big for that seam. Mar 29, 2013
Luc-514
Montreal, QC
 
[Hide Comment] If you're climbing with doubles and want to protect your second on P2 you can clip your left rope to a #.75 with a runner and exit the rest of the route on your right rope. You can then walk left on the ledge where you'll find a chockstoned crack to set a directional above the crux. Oct 26, 2013
Andy Weinmann
Campton, NH/Warmington, UK
  5.8+ PG13
[Hide Comment] I really don't like to trust pins from only a little bit of outward appearances. You have no clue how deep it's set or the condition beyond what you can see. I equalized the pin here with a #3 Stopper just below it. Sounds like a brassie would've worked too. After this pro there's nothing till the roof...which is a decent little ways up there. A fun route that is challenging both physically and from a rigging standpoint for the second. Doubles would def help. If you're unsure of your second's ability to follow, def follow Luc's advice and place a piece as soon as you hit the roof...straight up from the pin. Nov 4, 2013
Logan Schiff
Brooklyn, NY
  5.8+
[Hide Comment] Did this recently finishing out left on the Hawkeye roof. It's a little burly but does not increase the difficulty much (5.8+ or maybe 5.9) and adds a fun traverse and roof move that is well protected with a 3 or ideally a 4 c4. I see no reason not to finish this way as you get almost all the best parts of Three Doves with some added fun. You do need to build a gear anchor or walk up quite far to a tree. May 27, 2014
Robert Hall
North Conway, NH
  5.9-
[Hide Comment] Re' the P2 pin, on the face: If it hasn't been replaced it probably should be as it is a short-thin Lost Arrow, placed on the 2nd or 3rd ascent in 1968. Oct 28, 2015
Systematic
  5.9- PG13
[Hide Comment] If Friends and Lovers is 5.9R, then this is at least PG13. Good fun (but committing).
(I would agree with the Gunks App rating recommendation 5.9-) Sep 19, 2016
The Weavers
High Falls NY
[Hide Comment] Great climbing on both pitches. Thin face climbing on immaculate white rock. A few committing moves on the 2nd pitch. Sep 6, 2021
Henk H
Seattle
[Hide Comment] The fixed pin on P1 is bomber. I took a huge whip on it and it's still there. Jun 1, 2022