Fatal accident in Jtree.
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Hi Everybody. As the OP, can I respectfully ask that we let this thread rest? I'm definitely in favor of sharing details about accidents so we can all learn, but I think the information about the accident is now clear, and it's time to process. The ongoing discussions about bolting, tat, and Jtree are relevant and important, but perhaps it can continue elsewhere. |
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You can lock the thread to further replies if you like. |
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Thanks Marc. I'm not usually into closing or locking threads--the only time I tried to close a thread on MP was when folks were boasting about guns, bullets, kill rounds, and what not. I've previously argued that accident threads should be maintained, for information to be shared, and so on, so I think it would be hypocritical for me to lock this thread, but a couple of the comments above did come dangerously close to dishonoring Tina's life. I'll let if run for now, but, folks, let's try to remember that the most dangerous climbers are the ones who think they have it all figured out. This could have happened to any of us. Let's try to bear that in mind before we cast blame. |
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Bruno Schull wrote: One option to consider is you could close this thread and start another discussion about climbing anchors, tat, etc etc. Share the link in this thread and ask people to stick with honoring/remembering Tina. I think there is a memorial page as well. |
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Thanks for all the input folks. |
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Accident threads always turn into analysis . People should accept that and create memorial threads to honor the victims. Accident and risk management is what we do as climbers to try and stay alive. That is why AINA is published by the AAC. It is unrealistic to create an accident thread and not allow the discussion of how did it happen and what can we do to help prevent future accidents. Accept that this is how climbers process accidents. Everyone is respectful and thoughtful in memorial threads. Not so much when talking about anchors.. |
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Matthew Jaggers wrote: Technically bolts on public property are abandoned and it's not illegal to take them. Advocacy groups and government will not take responsibility for anchors because they would become liable for their failure. |
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Tradiban wrote: Technically you are wrong, at least at JT. Removal of fixed anchors requires a permit as of February. |
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Not accurate. Pretty sure NPS installed the anchors at Otter cliffs. |
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Just stepping back in here to direct readers to the memorial page for Tina Fiori. https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/122157148/tina-fiori Keep climbing Tina! |